America....

[Aira]

1. If you didn't vote in the election or aren't American, then stfu you don't know what you're talking about.

What does the first amendment say again? Even a non-American like me knows that!

More importantly though, given the hack of French presidential candidate Macron's election team right before the election, similar hacks in former Soviet states and so on, imo Russia is firing up Cold War 2. Maybe looking back we will identify 2016 as the start of the 2nd Cold War. Putin might even be trying to reinstate the Soviet Union as a long term goal. They are obviously trying to influence elections abroad and nudge them towards least-anti-Russian/pro-Russian results, which begs the question how safe voting computers will be in the future, since those things tend to run on less than state-of-the-art software.

The only thing I find curious is that it currently seems like they started with the US. That either means that we missed previous manipulations and/or hacks in smaller, less significant elections that they did trial runs on (what about Brexit, for example?), or that info wasn't released to the public, or people failed to piece it together. Kind of can't fault Trump for it if his team was the first to fall victim to it or if the info was known and he wasn't informed by whomever. At least it's something to be wary of in the future. It's the new tomorrow, in that regard.

[Firimei Lang]

What America does affects us all. As far as my educated outlook tells me Trump is a farce and well, I will be very glad when him and his family get the hell out.

Hilary may of had scandals..they are nothing compared to Trump..He gets worse every day..Like the terrible reality tv shows .

[arkaza]

"The only thing I find curious is that it currently seems like they started with the US. That either means that we missed previous manipulations and/or hacks in smaller, less significant elections that they did trial runs on (what about Brexit, for example?), or that info wasn't released to the public, or people failed to piece it together."

...or it's a McCarthyistic lie that plays on emotions to override logic. What is, statistically, more likely? Mudders should be AT LEAST novice computer people and see right through this.

It's like Microsoft publicly fussing at the Alphabets for "releasing their bad hacking tools that exploit vulnerabilities." You may call them​ vulnerabilities while others might call them "dung the government​ told Microsoft to program into Windows in return for money and or contracts."

[faul]

...or it's a McCarthyistic lie that plays on emotions to override logic. What is, statistically, more likely? Mudders should be AT LEAST novice computer people and see right through this.

Based on the fact that there's incontrovertible proof that Russia was involved in dumping Macron's email and at least hacking both DNC and RNC servers, I'd say that Russia being involved is, statistically, more likely. The idea that America was the first democratic process Russia has messed with to some extent or another is firetrucking laughable and unlikely as well. Like everything else, things that should be big deals anyways are big deals when it applies to US. Exceptionalism. Ra ra firetrucking rah.

Also, can you open a firetrucking book before comparing anything to McCarthyism? Thanks.

[arkaza]

I had a feeling you would be the first one to answer and I was halfass baiting you just so I could say, "see my comment on emotions."

"...characterized by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents."

Do I need to crack a book or can't I just google like everyone else nowadays?

[arkaza]

... also "hacking" servers is not "hacking an election/votingmachine. I wouldn't really call phishing and leaking hacking either. As if voting mattered anyway! If it did they wouldn't let us do it.

[faul]

I wouldn't really call phishing and leaking hacking either.

Well, this tells me all I need to know.

And if you're not going to open a book, at least read the whole Wikipedia article you're referencing, and maybe even cite the whole section you're referencing which would have prevented you from leaving out the key part.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1947 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.

There's a fair bit of circumstantial evidence that's been good enough for subpoenas issued for at least one administration/campaign official. This isn't coming out of nowhere. Also important to note that nobody is going around accusing private citizens or blaring out names of said private citizens (who were, I'm sure coincidentally, often Jews) in public hearings without evidence, which was another hallmark of McCarthyism that eventually led to its downfall.

Anyways, I recommend The Age of McCarthyism by Schrecker. Or just finishing the Wikipedia article.

[arkaza]

Good derailing. Attack my lack of understanding and undermine my knowledge of McCarthyism so as to not explain everything else.

In the middle of ye old wikipedia you'll see that, "McCarthyism has taken on many different meanings over the years." 'Cause the Russians did it. Did what? Looks like the same old D.C. to me, just alot more orange.

That's the problem nowadays, all these gray areas obscurring the truth. McCarthyism is no longer just "there are commie spies hiding everywhere." I have to read several specific books to use the analogy, "its like they are blaming the russians for something again."

P.S. Find me a book on sarcasm too.

[Firimei Lang]

As for my Country and Brexit, well that is a mess up right there. Give people the power to use their ignorance and stupidity to vote= chaos. It happened with Trump and now it has happened here.

I am a Left Wing supporter [ Labour Party] and yes we have Corbyn. He isn't as opaque as other party leaders. He isn't massively into using Trident as a means to and ends and he looks like someones Uncle. Given that He is the the man for me in a political outlook.

From what I see as to America and the Republicans, now they know Trump is in power. They have to either side up or get fired/bad mouthed on Twitter. I would be a Democrat I am sure, but you get what you get. Trump can't make a simple gesture, without opening a huge can of worms.
He seems to be the most unpopular President ever, it seems. His 'cabinet' are well, lets say Duh!
I could go on , about racist and xenophobic. As educated civilians we all know that right..right!?

[Astolfo]

I was in Chancellorsville, I mean Charlottesville, this weekend to MAGA!
What were you all doing?