Fail!

[Kiltwich]

FYI, food for thought:

Some other tests with aggro:

Shienaran sergeants will assist on initial combat 100% of the time (as long as they are not in Fal Dara) -- this should make the mobs around dusty more appealing to try and make a stand out without having them "spam".

was more annoyed at how long it took. that's about 4 rounds there, and yet commie is usually one of the fast assist/hit smobs. Perhaps I am too used to seeing an r8 mob that insta-assists (and then drags all the other mobs to assist much faster than usual).

This will only occur if the mob sees you start the engagement and there is a sergeant in the commy room. Since Angainor got off the engage, you would not be assisted until a round of combat went off,

his bash going through means a full round and a half went by without that happening. With the number of bashes that he landed in a row earlier (all of them...), I was hoping that he was due for a miss. otherwise, auto-flee interupting the bash lag once I got lower.
It was calculated, but the odds were not in my favor.

Not intending to backseat, but in a scenario like that you might just want to flee. The advantage you get is that you force them to build up their fleelag and in theory yours should dissipate quicker. When you do a combat round on engaging on entrance, the sergeant should aggro and then you could flee again to make them reorganize around the mobs.

The reason I post this is because I haven't seen a lot of examples posted of this being used, but I think it should make situations like yours feel better.

There is no real point in fleeing before the mobs assist. Ang's connection is much, much better than mine, and he will walk over and smack me again before I am able to figure out which direction flee I got to make it back to Commy, putting me at a further flee-lag disadvantage. I also had some back up sitting 15 rooms away that I was expecting to join me at Commy to fight them when they hit, though that also didn't happen.

With that bleeding message shown, that put me about 2-6 hp above my auto-flee threshold (though in this case, a brave flee with my luck would likely have failed the flee and lead to the same result) -- the timing on literally everything went wrong for me there which is why I posted it.

Interesting to know about the engage mechanics though, is it correct to assume that if I just melee'd instead of rolling the counter-bash, the attack round would have gotten the mobs to assist?

[Woodin]

lol some people, and we wonder why people leave this game

* HP:Healthy MV:Strong > yell imagine trolling the 1 person that wants to pk on a 15 playerbase game :p
You bellow 'imagine trolling the 1 person that wants to pk on a 15 playerbase game :p'

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > yell silly guy
look
You bellow 'silly guy'

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > who
You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > Players
-------
7 Woodin of Illian WANTED(1)
Ghend of Saldaea
Navani La'Mera Tower Accepted [White Tower] WANTED(1)
Lady Tahla the Dai Shan [Red Eagle] WANTED(1)

4 players displayed.

where
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > l
You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > look
You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

who
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > Players
-------
7 Woodin of Illian WANTED(1)
Ghend of Saldaea
Navani La'Mera Tower Accepted [White Tower] WANTED(1)
Lady Tahla the Dai Shan [Red Eagle] WANTED(1)

4 players displayed.

where
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
Someone bellows 'Rally the forces, the dreadlords approach!'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > yell anyways afk kill if you want do not care
You bellow 'anyways afk kill if you want do not care'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh >
Someone bellows 'Rally the forces, the dreadlords approach!'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > change mood brave
Mood changed to: Brave
Wimpy reset to: 121 hit points.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > change wimpy 0
You won't flee from any fight now.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > stand
n
n
You stop resting, and stand up.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > Alas, you cannot go that way...

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > n
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > s
rest
You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > You sit down and rest your tired bones.

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > not
l
You start paying increased attention to your surroundings.

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded!

where
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > You can't see a damned thing, you're blinded! <----Me going to load a game that conveniently loads about the time I'm batt and takes me outta screen lol.

* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *someone*!

* HP:Hurt MV:Full - Teveyl: Scratched >
You try to slice *someone*, but he deflects the blow.
Someone joins your fight!

* HP:Hurt MV:Full - Teveyl: Scratched >
Someone tries to slash someone, but he parries successfully.
You try to slice *someone*, but he dodges the attack.
You feel the blindness fade.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Scratched >
Ouch! That Really did HURT!

Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *Teveyl*!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Scratched >
An elite Shienaran guard slashes Teveyl's left arm very hard.
You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he parries successfully.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Scratched >
An elite Shienaran guard slashes Teveyl's body very hard.
You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he deflects the blow.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Hurt > l
Annex of Agelmar's Chambers
A room as purpose-made as the rest of the fortress, with arrow slits
along the walls and a heavy bar for the thick iron door. A table and a
few chairs are the only furnishings except for two racks containing
weapons and armor. Even here in the heart of the keep weapons and armor
are ready to be donned at any moment.
[ obvious exits: N S W ]
*Teveyl* is here, fighting YOU!
An elite Shienaran guard is here, fighting Teveyl.
An elite Shienaran guard attends his duties.
An elite Shienaran guard attends his duties.
An elite Shienaran guard attends his duties.
An elite Shienaran guard attends his duties.
An elite Shienaran guard attends his duties.
Lord Agelmar, ruler of Fal Dara stands here.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Hurt > g
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he deflects the blow.
You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he deflects the blow.
[bash ]

+
Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *Teveyl*!

-
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he parries successfully.
*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you parry successfully.
*Teveyl* assumes a defensive striking posture.

=
Your bash at *Teveyl* sends him sprawling!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Hurt >
An elite Shienaran guard slashes Teveyl's right leg into bloody fragments!
You slice *Teveyl*'s right leg into bloody fragments!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Wounded >
An elite Shienaran guard slashes Teveyl's right leg very hard.
You slice *Teveyl*'s body into bloody fragments!
*Teveyl* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
*Teveyl* leaves west.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
*Teveyl* has arrived from the west.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > k dark

*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you deflect the blow.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > An elite Shienaran guard joins your fight!
You do the best you can!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > k dark
k dark
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he parries successfully.
You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he deflects the blow.
You do the best you can!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > You do the best you can!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > k dark
g
You do the best you can!

[bash ] - Teveyl: Battered >

*
Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *Teveyl*!

+
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he parries successfully.
*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you deflect the blow.


As *Teveyl* avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground!
*Teveyl* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
*Teveyl* leaves west.

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > get tea pack
stn

*Teveyl* has arrived from the west.

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you deflect the blow.

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > stand
s
g
You get a cup of thready brown tea from a belt pack.

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > Arglebargle, glop-glyf!?!

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > Do you not consider fighting as standing?

* HP:Battered MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > No way! You're fighting for your life!

[bash ] h - Teveyl: Battered >

=
An elite Shienaran guard joins your fight!
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he deflects the blow.

*
Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *Teveyl*!


As *Teveyl* avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground!
*Teveyl* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
An elite Shienaran guard slashes Teveyl's left leg into bloody fragments!

quaff tea
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
*Teveyl* leaves north.

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh > stand
s
e
e

*Teveyl* has arrived from the north.

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you deflect the blow.

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > You quaff a cup of thready brown tea which dissolves.
Ok.
A surge of adrenaline works into your muscles, enhancing your strength.

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > Do you not consider fighting as standing?

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he parries successfully.
An elite Shienaran guard joins your fight!
No way! You're fighting for your life!

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > No way! You're fighting for your life!

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered > No way! You're fighting for your life!

* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

Your body is burned by a tremendous fireball sent by *Teveyl*!

* HP:Critical MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
An elite Shienaran guard tries to slash Teveyl, but he deflects the blow.
You try to slice *Teveyl*, but he deflects the blow.
*Teveyl* tries to strike you, but you deflect the blow.

* HP:Critical MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
You are mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.

* HP:Critical MV:Fresh - Teveyl: Battered >
You are dead! Sorry...
You feel the Weave of the Wheel loosen from you.
Circle of Light
[ obvious exits: D ]
The waters of a blue-veined marble fountain pour forth here.
A stout wooden barrel stands nearby.
A kind-faced figure stands here.
A well-muscled and confident looking blademaster stands here.

Guess I slightly care, but was afk for a few of those lol. Didn't think he'd actually go for it, but given the player no surprises. Enjoy your sword my friend. To be fair yes I was blind at the start of this. Just amusing

[Teveyl]

I thought the AFK yell was a berserk gambit and went for it, no ragrets

[Woodin]

All good enjoy your text, deuces good fellows

[langois]

I thought the AFK yell was a berserk gambit and went for it, no ragrets

Alt tabbing mid pk cause you’re on a tantrum is hardly afk.

Bashing and typing k dark is also hardly afk

[matheus]

Who removed Woodins warrant?!!

[erulak]

Ain't reading all that - I'm happy for you tho, or sorry that it happened.

[Woodin]

Did be my last response. Not that I should justify it. But this is why our playerbase is hovering around 5-10 and maybe a bit more around winter. He blinded me gap, told em was going to head in and afk. Got about 3 fireballs off before I realized wow the guy will kill me afk. So decided to bash a few 🤷‍♂️ Is what it is, just nothing surprises me with dis playerbase. Was mostly fun being back. I’ll complete my master quest and take another extended break. Continue to justify the fun my friends ;)

[Feneon]

There is no real point in fleeing before the mobs assist. Ang's connection is much, much better than mine, and he will walk over and smack me again before I am able to figure out which direction flee I got to make it back to Commy, putting me at a further flee-lag disadvantage. I also had some back up sitting 15 rooms away that I was expecting to join me at Commy to fight them when they hit, though that also didn't happen.

With that bleeding message shown, that put me about 2-6 hp above my auto-flee threshold (though in this case, a brave flee with my luck would likely have failed the flee and lead to the same result) -- the timing on literally everything went wrong for me there which is why I posted it.

Interesting to know about the engage mechanics though, is it correct to assume that if I just melee'd instead of rolling the counter-bash, the attack round would have gotten the mobs to assist?

I get your point and have no practical experience playing with high latency, but it sounds terrible. Here's an example of how that assist mechanic is meant to work without explaining it.


[human spamming kill dark when a troll is nearby]

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hunter practice
<Desc>
[ obvious exits: E ]
A Shienaran sergeant watches for the enemy here.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh > kill dark
They aren't here.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh > They aren't here.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh > They aren't here.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh > *Fentesttroll* has arrived from the east.
You barely tickle *Fentesttroll*'s left leg with your hit.

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Fentesttroll: Scratched > 
A sergeant bellows 'Argh! The foul beast Fentesttroll has been spotted!'
A sergeant joins your fight!

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Fentesttroll: Scratched > 
*Fentesttroll* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh - Fentesttroll: Scratched > 
A sergeant tickles Fentesttroll's body with his hit.
*Fentesttroll* barely smites your body.
You tickle *Fentesttroll*'s right leg with your hit.
*Fentesttroll* leaves east.

Human spamming kill dark with a soldier in room that will not assist immediately

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[0;hunter practice
<Desc>
[ obvious exits: E ]
A tough Shienaran soldier waits here.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > kill dark
They aren't here.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > They aren't here.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > They aren't here.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > *Fentesttroll* has arrived from the east.
You barely hit *Fentesttroll*'s left arm.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Fentesttroll: Scratched > 
*Fentesttroll* smites your body.
A soldier joins your fight!
You barely tickle *Fentesttroll*'s head with your hit.

* HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - Fentesttroll: Scratched > 
*Fentesttroll* panics, and attempts to flee!

So in theory, if you hit first, the smob should get on your opponent because once sergeant assists, others may assist in the fray. Or they join the fray the next round which advances the combat because mobs will enter combat if unengaged if an alley is in combat.

e.g.

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[0;In the Remains of a Crumbling Tower
Once a watchtower for the southern part for the road to Fal Dara and
Tarwin's Gap, this building is now hardly servicable. Whole parts of the
tower have been torn down, making it virtually undefendable. The inside
parts of the tower seem to have been set afire, as the stones facing in are
covered with old soot and burn markings.
[ obvious exits: N E S U ]
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
*Fentest* is standing here.
A Shienaran sergeant watches for the enemy here.
A grizzled Shienaran veteran looks on.
A grizzled Shienaran veteran looks on.
A grizzled Shienaran veteran looks on.
A grizzled Shienaran veteran looks on.
Grimly steadfast, a Shienaran commander prepares for battle.
*Fentest* barely hits your body.

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Fentest: Healthy > 
A sergeant joins Fentest's fight!

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Fentest: Healthy > fl
A sergeant barely slashes your body.
The grizzled veteran joins a sergeant's fight!
The grizzled veteran joins a sergeant's fight!
The grizzled veteran joins a sergeant's fight!
The grizzled veteran joins a sergeant's fight!
The Shienaran commander tickles your right leg with his lance.
You smite *Fentest*'s body.
*Fentest* barely hits your body.

Hope those examples clear up what I was pointing at?

[Kiltwich]

So in theory, if you hit first, the smob should get on your opponent because once sergeant assists, others may assist in the fray. Or they join the fray the next round which advances the combat because mobs will enter combat if unengaged if an ally is in combat.

[...]

Hope those examples clear up what I was pointing at?

Sort of,
Can you confirm that those sergeants are supposed to assist after a combat round of an ally engaged, or if it specifically needs a combat round with a melee attack to trigger it?


I was in combat for over 3 rounds, and they didn't assist until the aggro pulse and the smob engaged. Being sat by a bash makes things iffy, as certain mechanics count you as unengaged and others count you as engaged -- the bash making me sitting and unengaged for this purpose, but I feel that the combat round while the bash timers were rolling should have counted for the friendly assist check if it works as you noted.