Adding to our Playerbase - Campaign

[Cosmo]

I completely get where Orino is coming from. I've been blocked from a number of clans because one player doesn't like me and at the time used information from his staff member to make the connection to my alts. Thank god they got removed from staff at last.

I don't think lancers are the problem, pretty sure Orino already has one. But every player gets to a point where they want to try something different like Gaidin, Black Talon, Wolfbrother etc.. I'm not necessarily singling these clans out either.

Then you invest a lot of time and effort proving yourself and it just takes one asshole to no vote you because they don't like you or used staff privilege to discover your alts. The worst part is they're often the insecure subpar player that feels threatened by how much better you are at not only the game but simply being a decent human being. Even though you completed all of their completely over the top tasks and sucked it up to participate in their forced douchebaggery even though you hated every moment and knew it was horribly toxic but you needed their vote to even clan.

I also don't think kicking people out of clans more easily is a good solution either. It's already very easy to kick people out and if anything it should be harder.

There's just nothing worse than spending months of time and effort only to get screwed over by one or two players that dislike you for no IC reason.

I completely understand where Orino is coming from too because I've seen it from you assholes. Orino is far less whingey than you make him out and you are all complete dicks to him because you enjoy it. Orino is also a very competent PKer, I'd say better than Rig on his good days and he has always given me excellent PK on my Seanchan and I don't think he's ever asked me for a return.

But you want to know what one of my Black Talon tasks was from that ex staff member that no voted me? He made me same side loot Orino during DS PK and get rid of the gear without anyone knowing so Orino couldn't get it back. So don't tell me it doesn't happen and that Orino should look in the mirror. You guys are firetrucking assholes and you should not be able to force people to do that kind of stuff to clan and then no vote them anyway.

I know staff and people like Rig who adamently defended his pal the ex staffer claiming there was absolutely no evidence will look at this and tell me I'm just a whinger because there was not enough evidence to prove anything in my vote thread but it 1000% happens and I don't know what the solution is but it is a really toxic problem.

Stop being dicks maybe?

[Eol]

A clan based around being a dick gave Cosmo a dick quest to make him be a dick and then ultimately dicked him. The circle is complete.

(before you get angry at me - its honestly the wildest/weirdest story I've ever heard. You really miss out on the wotmud underbelly if you don't use discord, don't apply for Black Talon, etc.)

[livendros]

I completely get where Orino is coming from. I've been blocked from a number of clans because one player doesn't like me and at the time used information from his staff member to make the connection to my alts. Thank god they got removed from staff at last.

I don't think lancers are the problem, pretty sure Orino already has one. But every player gets to a point where they want to try something different like Gaidin, Black Talon, Wolfbrother etc.. I'm not necessarily singling these clans out either.

Then you invest a lot of time and effort proving yourself and it just takes one asshole to no vote you because they don't like you or used staff privilege to discover your alts. The worst part is they're often the insecure subpar player that feels threatened by how much better you are at not only the game but simply being a decent human being. Even though you completed all of their completely over the top tasks and sucked it up to participate in their forced douchebaggery even though you hated every moment and knew it was horribly toxic but you needed their vote to even clan.

I also don't think kicking people out of clans more easily is a good solution either. It's already very easy to kick people out and if anything it should be harder.

There's just nothing worse than spending months of time and effort only to get screwed over by one or two players that dislike you for no IC reason.

I completely understand where Orino is coming from too because I've seen it from you assholes. Orino is far less whingey than you make him out and you are all complete dicks to him because you enjoy it. Orino is also a very competent PKer, I'd say better than Rig on his good days and he has always given me excellent PK on my Seanchan and I don't think he's ever asked me for a return.

But you want to know what one of my Black Talon tasks was from that ex staff member that no voted me? He made me same side loot Orino during DS PK and get rid of the gear without anyone knowing so Orino couldn't get it back. So don't tell me it doesn't happen and that Orino should look in the mirror. You guys are chortlesnorfling assholes and you should not be able to force people to do that kind of stuff to clan and then no vote them anyway.

I know staff and people like Rig who adamently defended his pal the ex staffer claiming there was absolutely no evidence will look at this and tell me I'm just a whinger because there was not enough evidence to prove anything in my vote thread but it 1000% happens and I don't know what the solution is but it is a really toxic problem.

Stop being dicks maybe?

A lot of this post is solid. However it is a big pot calling the kettle black. You are known for breaking character completely and doing out of character stuff to further your own methods and agendas. That's the reputation you have built for yourself there is no one else to blame but you. Everyone else mentioned by you as a bad person has built their own reputation and must live with it as well.

[Anansi]

I wondered how long it would take before this thread turned into a 'poor me' cry for attention. I have to agree with Livendros though, if you build a reputation for being unsavoury then that reputation is at least partially going to define your experiences here as a player.

[Octavio]

And then we lose one more player either permanently or for a long period of time. Let each character earn their own way, regardless of what their alts are. If they are really a dick then get rid of them. If not you not only let another player experience something different, and retain their interest in the game, but you get another clan member.

What is so hard about that?

[Cosmo]

Dear Livendros,

I understand your direct reference to my lancer calling you out on your own bullshit because the OOC crap from you that had nothing to do with RP was getting completely out of hand. Your agenda to repeatedly break the game rules and transform lancers into world police was also repeatedly shut down by staff (not me) because what you were trying to do was wrong and staff repeatedly reinforced that my commentary was in fact true and correct. I know you think I was breaking character or using OOC information but I absolutely never did and I only got involved on my Seanchan because you decided to spit on every other Seanchan that tried to have a civil discussion with you. I've done my absolute best not to use OOC information on any of my characters despite all the repeated provocation from people like you for me to break character.

But lets not be vague about it. Elysia repeatedly shut you down on a bunch of things and because you are incapable of having a rational discussion about anything we're all expected to simply agree with you because you are right about everything and you could never possibly be wrong. Well, lets be frank. You were wrong. Stop being a dickhead. Suck it up and stop holding irrational grudges against people who were just doing the right thing and following the game rules and RP expected of them. If we didn't have any kind of politics/RP beyond killing trollocs the game would be pretty boring and we might as well delete everything south of Fal Dara.

There were also a lot of nasty things said about Orino on the lancer boards and out of sheer frustration he outed his own lancer to clear the bullshit from the air. Here's the thread: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10705

Please tell me what ooc stuff I have done to further my own methods and agendas? Because I'm pretty sure whatever you are trying to infer is slewn all over the lancer boards already and there has probably been no player more scrutinised by staff than myself.

I've got absolutely nothing to hide and I'm pretty sure you assholes have done your absolute best to screw every single character I have given the opportunity just as you probably have to Orino. For no other reason than you enjoy it.

Much love.

Cosmo

PS.

My sword is actually bigger than yours.

[livendros]

Dear Livendros,

I understand your direct reference to my lancer calling you out on your own bullshit because the OOC crap from you that had nothing to do with RP was getting completely out of hand. Your agenda to repeatedly break the game rules and transform lancers into world police was also repeatedly shut down by staff (not me) because what you were trying to do was wrong and staff repeatedly reinforced that my commentary was in fact true and correct. I know you think I was breaking character or using OOC information but I absolutely never did and I only got involved on my Seanchan because you decided to spit on every other Seanchan that tried to have a civil discussion with you. I've done my absolute best not to use OOC information on any of my characters despite all the repeated provocation from people like you for me to break character.

But lets not be vague about it. Elysia repeatedly shut you down on a bunch of things and because you are incapable of having a rational discussion about anything we're all expected to simply agree with you because you are right about everything and you could never possibly be wrong. Well, lets be frank. You were wrong. Stop being a dickhead. Suck it up and stop holding irrational grudges against people who were just doing the right thing and following the game rules and RP expected of them. If we didn't have any kind of politics/RP beyond killing trollocs the game would be pretty boring and we might as well delete everything south of Fal Dara.

There were also a lot of nasty things said about Orino on the lancer boards and out of sheer frustration he outed his own lancer to clear the bullshit from the air. Here's the thread: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10705

Please tell me what ooc stuff I have done to further my own methods and agendas? Because I'm pretty sure whatever you are trying to infer is slewn all over the lancer boards already and there has probably been no player more scrutinised by staff than myself.

I've got absolutely nothing to hide and I'm pretty sure you assholes have done your absolute best to screw every single character I have given the opportunity just as you probably have to Orino. For no other reason than you enjoy it.

Much love.

Cosmo

PS.

My sword is actually bigger than yours.

Well the weird thing is the situation you're trying to describe didn't ever happen in the way you mentioned. Also I didn't even know who your other characters work until after the situation happened all together. Essentially you're just making up some lies for whatever reason which is also part of your reputation and completely not part of mine so we will let the court of popular opinion judge that one. I can't tell you the things you've done because you know what they are for one thing and I'm not going to spread your characters around any further than they have been. I was happy you're not going to be honest. When I get home and get to my computer I will dissect this a little better. For now all I can say is you are pretty much just lying.

I will add while I'm thinking about things that it is funny then I think you have actually convinced yourself you don't do this kind of stuff. Like you might have some kind of psychopathy going on. And I'm not saying that to be mean or even to suggest you need therapy I'm just saying it really seems like you have convinced yourself that this is not how you act when it is the exact opposite.

[Cosmo]

I guess I'm just a liar and have done all these things but we don't know what they are.

Isn't that just spreading rumours about people and perpetuating a false representation of someone that doesn't exist?

You can harp on about my reputation, Orino's reputation etc etc and just victim blame all you like but that's part of the problem.

Players protect these assholes and it perpetuates the issue.

Take for example when that ex staff member was screwing over a bunch of my alts and other players. Both Rig and Anansi defended him to no end. They protected him and claimed he never did anything and blah blah blah.

Well guess who finally isn't a staff member??

Stop protecting these people, stop throwing rocks at others just trying to play the game and stop pretending you are doing this game some kind of service.

Anyway, we can get back to discussing attracting new players. I just wanted to stand up for Orino

[Octavio]

One day, when the technology gets better and WotMUD can do virtual reality, the "Real Steel" portion of this game is going to be fun.

[livendros]

I guess I'm just a liar and have done all these things but we don't know what they are.

Isn't that just spreading rumours about people and perpetuating a false representation of someone that doesn't exist?

You can harp on about my reputation, Orino's reputation etc etc and just victim blame all you like but that's part of the problem.

Players protect these assholes and it perpetuates the issue.

Take for example when that ex staff member was screwing over a bunch of my alts and other players. Both Rig and Anansi defended him to no end. They protected him and claimed he never did anything and blah blah blah.

Well guess who finally isn't a staff member??

Stop protecting these people, stop throwing rocks at others just trying to play the game and stop pretending you are doing this game some kind of service.

Anyway, we can get back to discussing attracting new players. I just wanted to stand up for Orino

Do you see me protecting anyone? The only people I generally tend to stick up for on this game or the less fortunate and newer players. Anyone I see getting the shaft for a reason I deemed not worthy. And yes you know everything in your post was skewed a certain way I can and will dissect it all when I get to a computer but it's not going to happen while I'm on my phone. Like I said about your original post it had a lot of solid points. People act this way. I'm generally not a victim of stuff like that but I know and see it going on. I do my best to rail against it. Oftentimes that leads to me taking a break from the game for a while. I know about all this stuff because I used to be that way. A long time ago. Ask Vampa about one of his characters more deal with the Iron Fists and me. I played long enough to realize it's kind of a shity way to be yet it still goes on.

Edit imagine paragraph breaks and correct punctuation and correct words I'm using voice to text it does not understand some stuff sometimes a lot of times most of the time. Also it's like I'm talkin so I just ramble on a little bit