What's the point of the restat?
What's the point of the restat?
It doesn't seem to work very well. Like if you have shitty stats, you'll stay having shitty stats. Not to mention the hp rolls are always horrendous no matter the Con so is there even a point to them? I thought they were to incentivize people to return to game and use old characters they put work into.
Re: What's the point of the restat?
About half of my characters have benefitted from rerolls, and it's been a wash for the other half. Ecthus was originally 17 15 19 (or something like that) then 17 17 19, now 19 17 19, with no real improvement between 300 and 500 (600 in two weeks or so.)
My understanding is that rerolls are designed to increase the total statsum, but only a few at a time. If the rolls aren't right, you can end up with a better statsum but an unplayable character. I've never had the willpower to shelve an alt to wait 100 years, but some people do. I know there are some players who will wait until they have two sets of rerolls so that they can use the first for a higher statsum and the second for better play. A lot of players used a bug to keep rolling until they got better stats. I never did, but I can't be resentful of anyone for working around a pretty limited system.
I've suspected for a long time that rerolls do not take 31-51 hp rolls into account, which is why the hp rolls are always terrible for 18 and 19 con. 17 gets some bizarre rolls. My guess is that rerolling at lvl 30 would be the best strategy, but who would want to delevel 20 levels for a better reroll?
My understanding is that rerolls are designed to increase the total statsum, but only a few at a time. If the rolls aren't right, you can end up with a better statsum but an unplayable character. I've never had the willpower to shelve an alt to wait 100 years, but some people do. I know there are some players who will wait until they have two sets of rerolls so that they can use the first for a higher statsum and the second for better play. A lot of players used a bug to keep rolling until they got better stats. I never did, but I can't be resentful of anyone for working around a pretty limited system.
I've suspected for a long time that rerolls do not take 31-51 hp rolls into account, which is why the hp rolls are always terrible for 18 and 19 con. 17 gets some bizarre rolls. My guess is that rerolling at lvl 30 would be the best strategy, but who would want to delevel 20 levels for a better reroll?
Re: What's the point of the restat?
Its a flawed process that they are doing their best at. They've attempted to remedy the historic worst part of rerolls - people being trapped in flawed homelands. Yes, it requires multiple rerolls and incremental progress. Yes, low initial rerolls will be very problematic. For hunters/warriors/rogues you will watch int and wil eat up your limited stat points.
-My experience is that channelers do well in rerolls - there's almost always room for points to be added somewhere and make a difference.
-If you are a trolloc of ...probably any class (warrior, hunter, rogue) and you are staring at some old side character hoping it will eventually be great - stop. Just make a new character. Perhaps this is an anecdote, but I made a beautiful hunter and an adequate warrior without too much effort. Wolfish produce amazing in both categories. I restatted past a bunch of playable options to eventually get relatively excellent results.
-Super statted human warriors not difficult to create from scratch - I love my old chars, but when you are starring at a 700 year old character that won't break 16 STR sometimes its time to move on.
-My experience is that channelers do well in rerolls - there's almost always room for points to be added somewhere and make a difference.
-If you are a trolloc of ...probably any class (warrior, hunter, rogue) and you are staring at some old side character hoping it will eventually be great - stop. Just make a new character. Perhaps this is an anecdote, but I made a beautiful hunter and an adequate warrior without too much effort. Wolfish produce amazing in both categories. I restatted past a bunch of playable options to eventually get relatively excellent results.
-Super statted human warriors not difficult to create from scratch - I love my old chars, but when you are starring at a 700 year old character that won't break 16 STR sometimes its time to move on.
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They key is to always increase the statsum with each reroll. Ideally, you want to do all your rerolls at once, so that you feel free to pick unplayable stats in the intermediary picks, with the goal of max sum. Once you have a nice statsum, you start seeing options. I was away for a long time and ended up with many near perfect chars from rerolls.
Re: What's the point of the restat?
I passed up on rerolling my 19 14 17 17 19 warrior to a 18 18 15 19 19 because original had more hps and I mostly play abs. Was wondering if I should have kept it or kept the reroll option at least (didn't think of that!) Until I got 2k qps etc but then I have also never seen rerolls give better hps. Like for an abser 19 19 original HP's seem better always.
That's stil not a problem though because it just means you max out for your class easily? Like if the intention of reroll was to improve the oldbie chars, it does that. I think for the rest of us who have good original stats it looks like a bonus that doesn't usually work out so there's the disappointment of that. I think it would have been nice if we got Something :p but it's okayyy
That's stil not a problem though because it just means you max out for your class easily? Like if the intention of reroll was to improve the oldbie chars, it does that. I think for the rest of us who have good original stats it looks like a bonus that doesn't usually work out so there's the disappointment of that. I think it would have been nice if we got Something :p but it's okayyy
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Restat is awesome!
You used to have to wait 5 minutes, think of a new name and got get level 5 again killing deers, bucks and stags.
Be happy
Also... rerolls work to increase decent stats to great and worked wonders for my channies. My other chars have improved slightly, but were already decent to start with. And what EOL said: statting now is pretty doable
You used to have to wait 5 minutes, think of a new name and got get level 5 again killing deers, bucks and stags.
Be happy
Also... rerolls work to increase decent stats to great and worked wonders for my channies. My other chars have improved slightly, but were already decent to start with. And what EOL said: statting now is pretty doable
Re: What's the point of the restat?
I've never noticed rerolls giving bad hps. One of my hunters rerolled to 400 hps and then to 406 hps. Another to 394 hps. Others rerolled well too, although sometimes it takes a few years.
My oldest char though, never managed to get an upgrade from 18 15 19 to 19 19 until his 500th rerolls and my 14 int fc never improved either. It's all luck of the draw. Sometimes you're just lucky on the wrong alt.
My oldest char though, never managed to get an upgrade from 18 15 19 to 19 19 until his 500th rerolls and my 14 int fc never improved either. It's all luck of the draw. Sometimes you're just lucky on the wrong alt.
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The hp thing is weird. Most of my chars are now 17 con with 400 hp. Before rerolls they were 18 or 19 con with about the same hps or lower.
Didn’t get good stats til around 300 or 400 but I was starting with pretty good stats since my original chars were all deleted and I started again 8 or 9 years ago with pretty good stats. Don’t think any of my chars are actually perfect or maxed yet.
Didn’t get good stats til around 300 or 400 but I was starting with pretty good stats since my original chars were all deleted and I started again 8 or 9 years ago with pretty good stats. Don’t think any of my chars are actually perfect or maxed yet.
Re: What's the point of the restat?
I think the HPs are just a shear luck thing. Most of mine have been pretty mediocre, like 385 for a lvl 51 with 19 con, but I've also had a few fairly solid rolls. Incremental statsum increase is actually the biggest issues for the characters rerolls were originally intended to help, since their low statsums often got eaten up by mentals, especially old school trolls.
I didn't realize until my second set of rerolls on Maegon that I should be trying to increase my statsum, but I'm not sure how to best present that to returning players. Overall, I'm extremely grateful for rerolls. I had a master hunter go from 18 12 9 19 16 to max stats over the course of 6 rerolls. Maegon went from 16 15 16 18 12 to nearly max stats over 4 rerolls. My younger chars, ~250 yrs old, haven't benefited from rerolls, but they were also statted after the super statter craze and understanding their effect on pracs/gameplay better.
I didn't realize until my second set of rerolls on Maegon that I should be trying to increase my statsum, but I'm not sure how to best present that to returning players. Overall, I'm extremely grateful for rerolls. I had a master hunter go from 18 12 9 19 16 to max stats over the course of 6 rerolls. Maegon went from 16 15 16 18 12 to nearly max stats over 4 rerolls. My younger chars, ~250 yrs old, haven't benefited from rerolls, but they were also statted after the super statter craze and understanding their effect on pracs/gameplay better.
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HPs seem to be really random from rerolls, I've generally gotten shafted on my rerolls HP wise for the first couple sets across most of my characters, only after they hit 400 did I finally get some good hps for the con I picked. Think my first char rerolled from 19 17 19 with 400+ hps to a 19 19 18 with 364 hps and it wasn't until he hit 400 that he got back to 19 con with some decent hps.
Would be great if the system was merely you can assign x amount of points to your stats per 100 years. If your total statsum was below x you'd get 2 points, if above you'd get 1 point, so you're sure you can upgrade your character. Granted I am pretty happy with rerolls, and most of my chars have benefited a lot, but as others have mentioned it generally takes a couple tries, especially if you are an oldbie with a low total statsum.
Would be great if the system was merely you can assign x amount of points to your stats per 100 years. If your total statsum was below x you'd get 2 points, if above you'd get 1 point, so you're sure you can upgrade your character. Granted I am pretty happy with rerolls, and most of my chars have benefited a lot, but as others have mentioned it generally takes a couple tries, especially if you are an oldbie with a low total statsum.