How will it end?

[boboliosie]

I think I deserve my own AoW each time, so you guys don't have to go digging through the stab/fail thread to find my posts. The question is, will this be a stab, or a fail?

Ragyn came to hurt me...

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The Lugard Road
[ obvious exits: N S ]
North:
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* S HP:Healthy MV:Tiring > on the Lugard Road
[ obvious exits: N S ]
Lord Ragyn nordens'Ravn is standing here, riding a dun mare.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

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* S HP:Healthy MV:Tiring >
[ba ragyn]
You silently approach your victim...


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Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you parry successfully.

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You can't backstab a fighting person, too alert!

* S HP:Healthy MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >
look ragyn

Ragyn slashes your left leg into bloody fragments!

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn slashes your right foot into bloody fragments!

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn has a few scratches.

Ragyn is using:
<used as light> a lantern
<worn on head> a full metal helmet and visor
<worn around neck> an opal choker of fiery blue and pink beauty
<worn around neck> a torc of gleaming steel
<worn about body> a cloak of shifting colors
<slung on back> a backpack
<worn on hands> a pair of heavy metal gauntlets
<worn around wrist> a gator skin bracer
<worn around wrist> a gator skin bracer
<wielded two-handed> the massive blade, da'es Ashan <----Uh oh, this might actually hurt!
<worn on legs> a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves
<worn on feet> a pair of thick metal boots

You attempt to peek at the inventory:
You can't see anything.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn looks at you.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >
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You panic and attempt toflee!

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You flee head over heels.
The Lugard Road
[ obvious exits: N S ]
North: Before a Stone Tower
[ obvious exits: N S W ]
Nomatches found!
South: A draft horse is here.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring > [ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
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Ragyn has arrived from the north, riding a dun mare.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
[ba ragyn]
You silently approach your victim...


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Ragyn leaves south riding a dun mare.

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Backstab who?

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

where
* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
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Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Before the Gates of Lugard
Boboliosie - Before a Stone Tower

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
Ragyn has arrived from the south, riding a dun mare.
[ba ragyn]
You silently approach your victim...


Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you deflect the blow.

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Ragyn sends you sprawling with a powerful bash! <----oh, He keeps us rolling!
You're in no positiontion to do anything aggressive.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn slashes your body into bloody fragments!

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >

Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you deflect the blow.
The sun rises.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Healthy >
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You stab Ragyn's body.
Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you parry successfully.
You panic and attempt toflee!

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You flee head over heels.
Stairwell
[ obvious exits: E U ]
East: A mirrored lantern has been left here.
A soft leather pouch has been discarded here.
Before a Stone Tower
[ obvious exits: N S W ]
Door west: towerdoor
South: A draft horse is here.
Lord Ragyn nordens'Ravn is standing here, riding a dun mare.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you deflect the blow.
[hide ]
Noway! You're fighting for your life!

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched > [ba ragyn]
Noway! You're fighting for your life!

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring - Ragyn: Scratched >
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You panic and attempt to flee!

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You flee head over heels.
Stairwell
[ obvious exits: E U ]
East: A mirrored lantern has been left here.
A soft leather pouch has been discarded here.
Before a Stone Tower
[ obvious exits: N S W ]
Door west: towerdoor
South: A draft horse is here.
Lord Ragyn nordens'Ravn is standing here, riding a dun mare.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Before the Gates of Lugard
[ obvious exits: N S ]
Door south: NorthGate
A draft horse is here.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > The NorthGate seems to be closed.

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* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
The NorthGate seems to be closed.

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* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[open gate]
ok.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Inside the North Gate
[ obvious exits: N S ]
Door north: NorthGate
North: A draft horse is here.
South: A lesser lord ponders his next move in the Game of Houses.
A local lord is here.
A fierce young man is standing here, eyeing those that pass by.
A fierce young man is standing here, eyeing those that pass by.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Nearing the North Gate
[ obvious exits: N E S ]
North: A local lord is here.
A lesser lord ponders his next move in the Game of Houses.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Nearing the North Gate

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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Middle Road
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
North: A lesser lord ponders his next move in the Game of Houses.
East: A merchant guard eyes you warily, intent on keeping order.

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* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Middle Road
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Multiple matches found!
East: A merchant guard eyes you warily, intent on keeping order.
West: A burly man covered in sweat stumbles your way.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Middle Road
[ obvious exits: N S ]

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Middle Road
[ obvious exits: N S ]
South: The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Middle Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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Center Square
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
South: A drunken fool staggers in no particular direction.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Center Road
[ obvious exits: E W ]
Multiple matches found!
East: A run-down looking man wanders aimlessly, collecting lost belongings.
West: The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > [ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Boboliosie - Center Road

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* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Inside the North Gate
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Middle Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Middle Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Ragyn - Middle Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Ragyn - Center Square
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Center Square
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Tiring > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
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Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Middle Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > [ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
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[ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
where
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Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Middle Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > [ba ragyn]
Backstab who?

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Center Square
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Center Square
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
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Lord Ragyn nordens'Ravn is standing here, riding a dun mare.
The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > [hide ]
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
where
Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Center Square
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >

Ragyn has arrived from the west, riding a dun mare.

where
* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >

Ragyn tries to Slash you, but you parry successfully.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded - Ragyn: Scratched > Players in your Zone
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Ragyn - Center Road
Boboliosie - Center Road

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded - Ragyn: Scratched >
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[ba ragyn]
Noway! You're fighting for your life!

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* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded - Ragyn: Scratched >
You stab Ragyn's head.
You panic and attempt to flee!

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You flee head over heels.
Center Square
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
East: South: A drunken fool staggers in no particular direction.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.
Center Road
[ obvious exits: E W ]
Multiple matches found!
East: A run-down looking man wanders aimlessly, collecting lost belongings.
West: The Lugard town crier stands here, spreading the news.
Lord Ragyn nordens'Ravn is standing here, riding a dun mare.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded > [hide ] <----Figured I'd go Stand in a 2 way exit. Decent chance for doubleline.
You attempt to hide yourself.

* S HP:Wounded MV:Winded >
[ba ragyn]
You silently approach your victim... <----And he lets me roll again. pretty confident!


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You dodge a bash from Ragyn who loses his balance and falls! <----Now he's done his part, whats the verdict going to be? Live or Die?

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The snow stops.
Your heartbeat calms down more as you feel less panicked.

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Ragyn makes a strange sound as you place a pair of moonstone hilted dirks in his back!
Ragyn is dead! R.I.P.
You feel the Weave of the Wheel tighten around you.
Your first time! Was it good for you too?
Your blood freezes as you hear Ragyn's death cry. <----DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
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[take all from corpse]
You get a pair of thick metal boots from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a studded leather belt with a crossed swords buckle from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get the massive blade, da'es Ashan from the corpse of Ragyn. <------Prepare for the BoBo bash of DooM!
You get a gator skin bracer from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a gator skin bracer from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a pair of heavy metal gauntlets from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a backpack from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a cloak of shifting colors from the corpse of Ragyn.
a shining steel breastplate: You can't carry that much weight.
You get a torc of gleaming steel from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get an opal choker of fiery blue and pink beauty from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a full metal helmet and visor from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a ring of silver from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a ring of silver from the corpse of Ragyn.
You get a lantern from the corpse of Ragyn.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
narr RAGYN RIP sucka
You narrate 'RAGYN RIP sucka' <----Per previous post instructions, the post stab taunt is obligatory

Ragyn tells you 'wow'

Ragyn tells you 'xxx hp stab' <---Straight blick life

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
remove crown
You stop using the Crown of Murandy. <----Here comes the line

hold crown
You grab the Crown of Murandy.

* S HP:Hurt MV:Tiring >
'Hail to the KING, baby!
You say 'Hail to the KING, baby!'

* S HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
sheath
You sheath a pair of moonstone hilted dirks into a coat bearing the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Strong >
wield sword
You wield the massive blade, da'es Ashan with both hands.

[Ragyn]

Center Road
[ obvious exits: E W ]
A dun mare is here, snorting angrily, being ridden by you.
You sense a hidden life form in the area...

* R HP:Scratched MV:Tiring > [k h.boboliosie]
You try to slash Boboliosie, but he parries successfully.

[bash ] iring - Boboliosie: Wounded >

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Boboliosie stabs your head.
Boboliosie panics, and attempts to flee!

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Boboliosie leaves west.

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As Boboliosie avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground!

* R HP:Scratched MV:Tiring > st
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The day has begun.
The snow stops.

* R HP:Scratched MV:Tiring > Maybe you should get on your feet first?

* R HP:Scratched MV:Tiring > [k boboliosie]
Maybe you should get on your feet first?
Suddenly someone places something in your back!
You are dead! Sorry...
You feel the Weave of the Wheel loosen from you.
Ouch! You lose a level.

can safely say I did not expect to get blicked from full, so wasn't too worried about letting bashes roll, link wasn't fast enough to cancel bash

[Kryyg]

When is stab getting downed. Dumbest dung ever.

[Zangief]

When is stab getting downed. Dumbest dung ever.

1.5x multiplier for sitting. Ragyn learned something there tonight, assuming he couldn’t get blicked while sitting. I have died several times by rolling the dice and letting my bash roll risking the sitting disengage stab, but never once has it crossed my mind to down stab. Reminds me of when Tyrex got stabbed in pk then lobbied to get rolling on engaged targets removed. Or the Weir’s and Rhys who let rogues miss on them so they can zerk charge. Or 3 zings for missing a bash. Call me old school but I’ve never thought these things needed to be changed when Ive died to them.

[Razhak]

This is one of those things you roll for as a basher :P

Like Zangief said: if you dont want this to happen, cancel your timer once you see he flees out

I know how it ends though: it ends with Bobo giving that sword to Razhak!

[Kryyg]

I mean we can talk about how this is a risk for a badger but let’s seriosuly discuss the numbers. He took the risk and let’s say he landed, he would do 70 his damage. Let’s say he missed, then he dies. Now let’s say Bobo rolls a stab and lands, he will do anywhere from 150 to a blick and in this case gets a sitting multiplier. If he misses he will do no damage and maybe lose 70 hit points assuming ragyn lands a bash.

There is no comparison there is no right or wrong. There is a broken class that is defended by all the players who rely on a no skill dice system to get their kills.

We literally have a 90 page boring ass stab thread that just shows healthy rogues rolling stabs and getting kills. I’m not sure why that’s entertaining. It’s just proof of a broken skill.

Call me old school but games with wiz kills and no or minimal risk never interested me.

[Anor]

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[Zangief]

Sure, remove the wizkill possibilities and see how often some players would die. #Rulingelite

[Halcyon]

Wonder where we would be if you couldn't fireball someone for 100+ hit points in the same amount of time it takes to complete a bash timer without being engaged at any point in any time!

[Jestin]

I've played and fought it all (dreadlorded troll rogue and troll abser) and with the exception of a 2 year period on SS when we were fighting newbies every day, nothing on this mud is as easy a troll rogue master (and probably stabby wb master). Perhaps more important is that they are, by far, the most annoying characters to fight against. Almost every single time one of them show up (either by trying to stab you, stabbing, your or otherwise), it leads to much eye rolling irl. Just no fun to fight against. Most of them flee around healthy running stabs and time stabs. Eventually one of them lands and if it does it's a wizkill unless you're healthy all the time in pk. So basically there is this fly that is hovering around you while you're trying to play, and any moment if you take your notice off of it or if they plain just get lucky (with at time stab that you could do nothing to prevent) you're dead. Not to mention that they're also frigging annoying to have on your side. Instead of engaging they'll watch you die on your abser, won't group, won't help you buff, etc. Why? Because it's so much more profitable for them personally to just sit around and roll stabs, and flee the moment they get engaged, then rinse and repeat.

I love fighting vs channies (especially while on a channeler). Fighting channies on a basher is less fun, but then so much fun when they finally get bashed and streamrolled by a group. Was a great change to lower max hps to 280 hps (which btw I was a huge proponent of despite playing mostly channies nowadays) to make this easier. Channies are real glass cannons nowadays, can still deals tons of damage but also die super easily the moment they get bashed at wounded or lower. But they don't wizkill people ever like stabs do. Only chance for a real wizkill is with multiple channies weaving the same target (which I agree is bullshit). But even that takes many players acting in unison, takes the players staying in the room while they know the channies are there, etc etc. Wizkills from stab just take a single player and can happen at any time without notice. And nowadays the healthy rogues running around time stabbing people have 360+ hps. So even if you do land the lucky bash and try to steamroll them, they're usually going to flee out at wounded or batt, not at critical or dead like channies.

These characters are just plain toxic for pk. So many times nowadays I'll go up on Taleena all the way into Keep just to start pk. Run into a couple of people at well who are just sitting around with thumbs up their ass, then I'll run outside RK. What's the first thing the rogues immediately try to do? Try to stab me. I just walked all the way up through Blight where the mvs are horrible and there are now 100 different ways to kill me if you set up the right blocks. I'm usually not getting out without quaffing at least 2 vials. Even if you're successful and you blick, then boom pk is over and you'll go back to being afk with no pk. This is just an example but indicative of the larger phenomenon that happens because of stabbers. No-one wants to pk them and because of that they're toxic to pk continuing.