Stab Thread

[Treach]

If everybody DID care about afk or ld then this would just be an instant of "in xyz situation, I couldn't tell / had no way of telling that you were afk - sorry about that".

Rig's first post was that and was polite considering the passive aggressive tone in the post he was responding to.

You haven't answered what the DS rogue should have done in this situation?

[isabel]

Well for one friend, you're named.

Second, you got blicked.

Third, i'm sorry you died in one hit and felt the need to quit playing.

You think this is polite and not passive aggressive?

To me Rig's post read as

1) "You're named" - therefore don't complain about being killed [(i]in whatever manner[/i] is implied, including afk)

2) "You got blicked" - which, being an experienced player, he picked up on. However, instead of using this to communicate to someone who clearly didn't pick up on this (most likely out of inexperience), he goes on to say

3) "Third, i'm sorry you died in one hit and felt the need to quit playing" - which is the opposite of any commiseration/ sympathy as I read it. It sounds sarcastic/ passive aggressive to me.

My idea of polite would be:

"Sucks that you were killed afk, but given that it was a blick there's no way that player would have known you were afk anyway"

[isabel]

Oh and I wasn't getting into the DS rogue argument, because like i said it's just one of a series of things that can happen on the game when the other player isn't aware of afk etc. I would think it's covered under the - sucks that you died afk, but there's no way to tell in this situation. That's it.

[Treach]

I dunno Isabel, you may be right, but I would give Rig the benefit of doubt.

Depening on interpretation of point 3, then your sentence is just a flowery and more polite way of saying what 20 year old Rig said.

I remember reading an article that if you rank the common phrases in English from most polite to least polite, the ranking is different for each country/region. So there is a bit of leeway on what some poeple find polite compared to others.

And is it Rig's job to polite when the other guy was passive aggressive first?

[ervik]

A ) I have no control over being named.
B) Dead is dead no matter how it happens
C) Rationalizing why you killed a level 17 is part of the issues with this game. Or maybe just with you.

And is it Rig's job to polite when the other guy was passive aggressive first?

HTF is this passive aggressive? Rig, as usual, doesn't care one bit about anything in this game but his point of view. And in this instance his point of view is that he killed another player. He doesn't care if they were afk, he doesn't care if they were only level 17...or any level for that matter. That's Rig's bottom line. Always. This game has far too many players that only care about themselves and not for their RP or others in the game.

Two day ago I was told by CoL leadership that Kryzen is allowed, actually encouraged, to take OOC chats and threaten a player for daring to say anything about his gameplay. Not his clan, not his friends, specifically about his personal gameplay. And that I would be hunted for it in a personal tell. Yesterday I was killed afk by another player who does this on a regular basis.

If people do not see a pattern with this game then there is nothing I can say or do to help you. As to Isabel's point earlier, I did spend several hundred hours starting this character and then playing him. It's 100% percent my bad that he is outted but that would have never happened if not for all of this other BS. BS that will happen to the next player as well all because Rig, Kryzen, CoL and people/clans like them think that the rules, official and non-official, do not apply to them...they apply to everyone else. That's the problem with this game. And one that the Imm's encourage, allow, and cultivate.

So I am not leaving the game because I got killed afk. I am leaving this game because nothing is changing, and apparently never will.

[Anor]

This mail? That you also sent to Vampa? I believe you got a reply from all 3 council members. Plus just because your horse hagged and you alt tabbed doesn't mean you are AFK and safe from being killed.

Child of Light council members,

I am writing to you concerning threats made by one of your clan members, Kryzen. This is not the first time I have heard him make these threats to others, but it is the first time he has made them to me. Kryzen constantly uses his position with your clan the threaten others in this world and appears to do so with the full blessing of the clan, as other council member have been on why he does so. However in case this is not the official policy of your clan I wanted to submit a log of todays events. Basically Kyyzen is nothing but a bully who shields his actions in a white cloak and this is not the first time. It's gets old and tiring and apparently he is allowed to do this without repercussions. I am looking for the councils official position on Kryzen and his continued actions.

Please see log below. I took out everything but the chats/tells:

Orino chats 'anyone know if cruoris would leave gear after 1 on 1?'
Orino chats 'didnt see anything when i went up blight after 15 minutes'

Darlana narrates 'again kryzen jakaling at tower'

Kryzen narrates 'oh, hello'

Darlana chats 'it seems time to rent again, nothing happenes, only vultures around'

Kryzen chats 'vulture? that's slightly insulting'

Darlana chats 'who said it? murderer? heh'

Kryzen chats 'murderer? Are you not wanted?'

Orino chats 'murderers are fun for a tiny playerbase...'
Orino chats 'wonder if pial will come back too'

Darlana chats 'i mean he killed amador herald 2 days ago'

Kryzen chats 'except I'm not a murderer, I serve warrants on those wanted by the Children of Light, No warrant, no messing with us, and there's no problem' ----- Here is his "official position"

Darlana chats 'aha :'

Kryzen chats 'Though, Orino, if you want to call members of the worlds largest justice clan murderers, we'd all be willing to come visit you and Bandar Eban sometime' -----Here is his "unofficial" position and threat

Orino chats 'sorry, i'm too lazy to even read that'

Darlana chats 'true that'

Kryzen chats 'I'll translate, talk dung, get hit' ----Apparently no-one is allowed to talk bad about Kryzen

You chat 'and Kryzen just crossed the line to a clan member that serves warrants to someone who uses his official position to threaten and intimidate.' ------My initial comment

Darlana chats 'boredom'

Fuujin chats '*talks dung*'

Orino chats 'i have no ability to warrant/remove warrants'
Orino chats 'but unsure, because i barely read what was there'

Kryzen narrates 'puny is wb'

Darlana chats 'he is not wb'
Darlana chats 'he is kobal'

Below: What I get for daring to say anything about Kryzen
Kryzen tells you 'and you may say whatever you want, but I won't allow people to get away with dung talking my clan'

You chat 'what I was just told: Kryzen tells you 'and you may say whatever you want, but I won't allow people to get away with dung talking my clan''
You chat 'to be clear Kryzen I said nothing about your clan. I did say how you are a bully however'
You chat 'and your tell to be pretty much proved that'
You chat 'see a pattern here?'

[isabel]

Well I don't think age and civility need to be correlated, and 20 is old enough to be considered a responsible grown up person in most places. There are obnoxious 20 year olds and 40 year olds and polite and kind 10 year olds. I do agree that given the diversity of cultures here a lot of things that leap put as harsh on text may not be so.

The player who posted was upset about something and this was his way of sharing that with the community. Almost everyone here does that or tells someone on Skype or discord or whatever. Its not passive aggressive btw.. it's just someone saying they're upset about something and don't like a game where that happens.

In contrast, it's not Rigs job to be polite but neither is it his job to be the opposite of polite.

[ervik]

He has my blessing. Doing the creators work he is.

I think my point about CoL can stand just as it is.

[Treach]

. Its not passive aggressive btw.. it's just someone saying they're upset about something and don't like a game where that happens..

I would call this passive aggressive behavior.

I guess this is what passes for gameplay lately. AFK, level 17.

And you wonder why people don't play this game anymore.

Which is fine he can post that if he wants. But if he does post that you cannot expect people to fawn and coddle him.

Rig's post was informative, he was explaining that lvl 17 is named and getting blicked means the killer has no way of knowing you weren't there.

It is unreasonable to expect a stabber to whois every LS named person when at any moment that person might move room.

[Treach]

So I am not leaving the game because I got killed afk. I am leaving this game because nothing is changing, and apparently never will.

It looks to me like you have very thin skin. That Kryzen tell is nothing lol. Did he continue to send you tells or did he warrant you? Wouldn't you be happier and have a better experience if you just ignored it? Why not just laugh it off as a over zealous Hand of the Light running his mouth?

Only you can be the judge if what you enjoy about the game outweighs the aspects of the game you dislike such as having to talk to people you don't like and occasionally dying afk, linkless. You could have made this post and just said you were afk and asked if they could return, you might have gotten a better outcome.