War system questions

[Octavio]

This is why we have actual pardon rules now.

All due respect Vampa but the pardon rules are broken and are non-functional. Warrants are way out of proportion, are used based on the who list and not any actual crime and are almost never removed. Not sure if you have the ability to look at the total number of those warranted, those warranted per month, and those that have their warrants removed but basically once you get warranted you have almost no opportunity to remove that warrant. It's basically 100% subjective.

Add being told that if you are unclanned and you help out means you get warranted, especially by thiefbane, just completely screws over people. Not really sure why you want that or think it's a good idea.

[Kiyari]

I have a question about Thiefbane involvement. I was told that Theifbane have been instructed my imms to hunt unclanned people that get involved in the wars. Does this include apprentices? Even if it doesn’t, does that make sense? It’s not uncommon for mercenaries and other previously unaffiliated people to side with a cause they are sympathetic to. Why should Thiefbane be allowed to hunt allies of a country in their own territory with no consequences?

Let's put aside the war system for a moment. Mr. Unclanned is in Andor minding his own business in CCS. A magical Ms. Thang is also there doing her thing, whatever that is. Let us assume Kiryl is Andor warranted. Kiryl comes in and attacks Ms. Thang. Mr. Unclanned, knowing Kiryl is Andor warranted assists Ms. Thang. Mr. Unclanned gets his helpful ass warranted by *oL and now can be hunted by both *oL and Thiefbane.

Thiefbanes are thief takers. Serving a valid warrant is not murder. Serving warrants is their job. Presumably, Thiefbane has treaties with various nations for hunting rights. They get to hunt Mr. Unclanned until Mr. Unclanned realizes his stupidity and gets his helpful self pardoned.

I do not see any difference between the above scenario and unclanneds who involve themselves in clan wars. Unclanneds can and should fully expect to get warranted and hunted. Period. The end. Thiefbane is allowing those who are appies to various clans clemency as long as they have it in their title. This is reasonable. Suck it up or join a side.

[hasp]

Octavio, you want unclanneds to not be able to get warrants? Makes people make a decision. They should have consequences for their choices.

[hasp]

Also, we have removed a few warrants in just the past fee days. Quests like chianna and aorik which is doable. Unlike our guys who get quests to take out a DS city.

[Octavio]

Octavio, you want unclanneds to not be able to get warrants? Makes people make a decision. They should have consequences for their choices.

Why do we want to force them to make that decision? And why do we want to punish them if they do not make that decision? Right now the push is to punish the unclanned because the CoL has greater numbers and they do not want unclanned helping out. It's as simple as that. Using warrants to "punish" that unclanned player for participating in a war where that unclanned player gets no qps, no scalps, no bonus points, maybe some equipment and that's about it. Oh, and they get "punished" for helping as well.

Just seems like there is a bias in the equity of it to me. Against those not clanned. At least not clanned in the CoL.

[hasp]

So basically you want any unclanned able to attack Amador with no repercussions. Makes no sense.

[Vampa]

Add being told that if you are unclanned and you help out means you get warranted, especially by thiefbane, just completely screws over people. Not really sure why you want that or think it's a good idea.

Unclanneds participating should be warranted. If you pursue a pardon and aren't given a means by which to obtain it, then report it.

Your character choices have weight. If you make the wrong one, you will have to deal with the repercussions.

[Kiyari]

Making a distinction between war activity and non-war activity as far as warrantable offenses for an unclanned person is unreasonable.

[Vampa]

Why do we want to force them to make that decision? And why do we want to punish them if they do not make that decision? Right now the push is to punish the unclanned because the CoL has greater numbers and they do not want unclanned helping out. It's as simple as that. Using warrants to "punish" that unclanned player for participating in a war where that unclanned player gets no qps, no scalps, no bonus points, maybe some equipment and that's about it. Oh, and they get "punished" for helping as well.

Just seems like there is a bias in the equity of it to me. Against those not clanned. At least not clanned in the CoL.

There's no equity in this, it's equality. If you want to participate in the war, join a clan. If you're not in a clan, you're a mercenary.

Making a distinction between war activity and non-war activity as far as warrantable offenses for an unclanned person is unreasonable.

Yes, this is exactly right. If you attack someone, you may receive a warrant for doing so if that person is clanned, regardless of who you are.

[Octavio]

There's no equity in this, it's equality. If you want to participate in the war, join a clan. If you're not in a clan, you're a mercenary.

Damn autocorrect