War system questions

[keim]

...and even support in giving safe ground for allies and groups, helping reequip, even heals and whatnot.

So here you are saying that Tower players should be able to stand in EF, or Amador and be able to heal, armor, strengthen, and other "tower-like" things and as long that they do not attack anyone or anything they will be allowed to do this and be left alone.

Yea, let's see how that works out.

No i meant in Tar Valon for the safe ground part, sorry i didn't spell it out for you. Otherwise we cannot stop them from providing heals if they are around in an allies city, except for being able to attack them which they can defend.

[Elysia]

The generals are no-channel by the way. This was done for balance reasons, but the side effect does equal less headaches as any Aes Sedai hitting them will not be in violation of the Oaths. As Aes Sedai can whack you over the head just fine without violating the Oaths.

Similarly, the Tower was not included for balance reasons. The Tower is just too big a clan, with bonused characters to boot and they really do not need to be able to get things from wars. By not giving them a general we can prevent them shaping the world by war terms, no matter who started the war. It would not be a good thing if they placed AS mobs in various places, for example.

Lastly, given the Tower's role in diplomacy, it is more fitting if they get qps if they resolved a conflict instead. This might not apply in a conflict involving the Children, who would likely reject such attempts at diplomacy, but it is definitely an option for other conflicts. To encourage this, I removed the ability for Tower to gain qps through general hits a few hours ago.

[Meren]

Slightly strawmanning me there Reyne.

I mean for instance, someone being at Haral during a hit, offering heals, strength, armor, and so on. Or Caemlyn's throne room, whilst Caemlyn is attacked. This is not organised clan activity? What more organised can a clan even be?

Plus General kills award QPs to those clanned in the room. <---- Until the post above mine (for Tower)

[Reyne]

Well, let me put it this way. I haven't asked the Grays for a single merit in any of the times I tried to fight you guys nor would it have occurred to me to do so. I mean whatever I can't speak for the Gray Ajah but it just seems unlikely.

If anything I'm just losing 3 qp every time I feel like trying to take on 3-4 of you in Caem and then have to issue a new dress/ring.

To encourage this, I removed the ability for Tower to gain qps through general hits a few hours ago.

Seems like a good solution!

[Octavio]

I actually am not a fan of this. Now the Tower interaction with the war game is limited to 2, maybe 3 sitters and no one else. All this has done is drive the Tower players away from playing as they have zero role to play now.

[Khahliana]

I think Elysia has made it pretty clear Tower were never intended to have an integral role in the new war system. We can still play as we always have, and Tear has declared war on us outside of the system, so there is that still. Happy hunting.

[keim]

I don't think it will stop bored people from participating anyways, though i do think its funny they aren't in trouble for killing an innocent considering the generals do not attack first and they cannot declare war....

[Octavio]

I don't think it will stop bored people from participating anyways, though i do think its funny they aren't in trouble for killing an innocent considering the generals do not attack first and they cannot declare war....

Again, those that plan to kill are just as guilty as those that do the actual killing.

[Khahliana]

By the innocent because they don't agro argument everyone involved is committing murder.

[keim]

By the innocent because they don't agro argument everyone involved is committing murder.

Since ive played the game the general determination of innocent of a mob was, humanoid of course, does it attack you, if not inno, with the exceptions being for mobs with descriptions like darkfriend or thief or the like. The main exception to the above rule being that you are at war with the nation who has that innocent mob. Which Elysia already said the tower cannot declare war....

Main point being, if you wanna participate directly, as in attacking cities and generals and whatnot, you should really get on a character that is involved in the war or at least an unclanned character. Anything else is most likely breaking laws, rp, or at the very least very bad form. Especially in light of elysia's statement that tower was excluded for a reason, therefore them contributing directly does seem to be a loophole that should be closed.

On the other side I do think it could be pretty fun if some tower people got on their other clanned alts and participated.