Why is there such a hate on for rogues?

[Reyne]

I've only been playing for a couple months now (maybe) so take with a grain of salt I suppose but I think 1 no-hide per city (or maybe 2 if it is a huge one) is okay?

The gates could depend on size of the city and proximity to the blight maybe? I bet the Fal Dara watch guards take their job more seriously than a gate guard in Tear who has probably never seen a trolloc before (lore wise anyway).

I'll also say it does seem kind of difficult to get a stab off (but I have even less experience with a rogue than I do with my channeler so I might just be noobing it up.)

I don't hate rogues, they have always made the game interesting and annoying in certain ways.

Some people are just whiny little tarts.

I think Rig caught me unawares a couple times around Caemlyn, and while it isn't fun losing your gear I did have quite a bit of fun and excitement trying to not get killed.

Those palmed throwing spikes (if I'm remembering right) inspired me to make a rogue of my own. I don't think deleting the class entirely would be very productive and it would be kind of a shame, honestly. They are a good counter to channies considering the myriad of ways I can debuff or disable entirely a warrior/hunter coming at me in plain sight.

[Santino]

I think everyone's said it pretty well. And I agree with Lykan/Naerin's posts. In terms of survival, no other class can touch it, especially up north. If you want to play your character how most seem to think rogues are supposed to be played, assassin style, you can't be shocked by player disinterest in fighting you. It's firetrucking boring. If I'm up north and I run into you Loomis, I literally sigh and think, "This is going to be so damn boring." And I'll just go in unless I see others showing up.

This isn't anything against you the player behind the char. It's just not interesting or fun. At all.

As far as changing city nohides. Why? I mean really. Why would that even be something imms/the mud should consider? For starters none of you raid anyway. No ds really. Mikhan and Gief have brought it about a bit more. Shzrei (props) raided into tv the other day. But generally it just doesn't happen. Are you maybe, potentially, saying that if that kind of change were made it would make more ds rogues interested in raiding cities? Because if so you're full of dung.

We won't even bring up Puny. He's a god damned saint and his name shall not be sullied with this silly thread.

The last rogues in my memory who actually took risks and moved pk along were Tempest, Krull, and more recently Gizmo. Be like them future rogues. Don't be afraid to melee and take a risk.

Edit to add in Krull

[Rig]

Ha! I knew I saw the name Reyne before..

Projectiles are godly

[Loomis]

I think everyone's said it pretty well. And I agree with Lykan/Naerin's posts. In terms of survival, no other class can touch it, especially up north. If you want to play your character how most seem to think rogues are supposed to be played, assassin style, you can't be shocked by player disinterest in fighting you. It's firetrucking boring. If I'm up north and I run into you Loomis, I literally sigh and think, "This is going to be so damn boring." And I'll just go in unless I see others showing up.

This isn't anything against you the player behind the char. It's just not interesting or fun. At all.

As far as changing city nohides. Why? I mean really. Why would that even be something imms/the mud should consider? For starters none of you raid anyway. No ds really. Mikhan and Gief have brought it about a bit more. Shzrei (props) raided into tv the other day. But generally it just doesn't happen. Are you maybe, potentially, saying that if that kind of change were made it would make more ds rogues interested in raiding cities? Because if so you're full of dung.

We won't even bring up Puny. He's a god damned saint and his name shall not be sullied with this silly thread.

The last rogues in my memory who actually took risks and moved pk along were Tempest, Krull, and more recently Gizmo. Be like them future rogues. Don't be afraid to melee and take a risk.

Edit to add in Krull

Just to add here...im not sure where the confusion is coming from about me hating that no one PK me. I honestly couldnt care less. If you don't want to pk me, thats totally fine. Its like me running around solo and finding a solo charger, or combo/bash...Im not going to sit there and 1 on 1, because its not fun for me. I cannot even come close to winning, so why bother. I just chalk it up as a loss and walk away. No harm, no foul.

As for the no hides thing...your damn right i would actually go for stabs and dung in city. I used to do it all the time before they made everything no hide. The way cities are now, there is no point for a rogue to even go into them. All the gates are nohide plus like 10 other rooms for them to choose from, and unless they are low abser, I cannot finish.

So to reiterate...IF YOU DONT WANT TO PK ME...DONT! I'm honestly not butthurt in the slightest. I understand it can be boring for you, just like me 1v1 a combo basher. Its nothing against anyone, its just some matchups are not fun at all.

EDIT: And if we want to bring up the RP thing(which i don't think is a valid excuse, but since people seem to use it to suit their argument, then i shall)...Cities should be a thief's paradise...we are assassins. As I said though, the way cities are set up now, theres no point even going in them.

[arkaza]

Rogue in city sneak move bonus anyone?!

[Santino]

So move them off a no hide? Get others to come in? Find a work around. It's that mentality that makes pk what it is currently. And exactly why no one is interested in rogues.

And you kind of missed my point my man. It's not about -you- it's about rogues. I just used you as an example. That's why it's so silly. It takes no skill. Rig. There's no real risk. And you potentially reap all the rewards, as a rogue. Those arguing for rogues are biased. And that's ok. But recognize your bias and think about that before you attemp a discussion on whatever subject. Otherwise you just sound stupid.

I've killed players in every city, just about, in the game. Mostly solo. On a rogue or stab setup player. So the excuse that it's pointless is just ridiculous. If you don't want it or it seems to risky to you, then say that. But don't argue that it's pointless and make bs excuses.

[arkaza]

I think what rogues really want is a statistically better chance at catching people unaware, the best kind of stab. Risk vs reward. If you build it they will come?

[Cosmo]

Stab seems to never kill people from full hp even when its a master and that's assuming if it lands. People essentially have to be half dead before rogues can be confident if they even can get in a stab they might kill someone. It can also be pretty tricky to get someone to that level of hps if you are solo.

It would be interesting to see the game become more dangerous so I would be in favour of less no hides. I think it would also be interesting if stab had a damage bonus if your target or you don't have no quit. I do feel as though stab should either land more or have more damage.

Meleeing rogues are also not terrible in group PK. From what I've experienced mostly on the receiving end they are pretty painful with attack and can whittle you down quick but I suppose most of the time they like to solo. I have also seen plenty of people that bash switch to a dagger for the attack damage.

I feel like the general game balance is skewed in favour of hunters more than any other class but I would also assume it has always been that way. Ko'bal should be able to remort to grey men which I guess are too hard to implement so they might as well be fades.

I know that all the rogues complain that no one is interested in PKing them but truthfully I feel like sometimes no one is interested in PKing. They just want risk free kills. So its not really just rogue problem.

[Rig]

That's why it's so silly. It takes no skill. Rig. There's no real risk. And you potentially reap all the rewards

Lol'd, best worst rogue award goes to me

[Rig]

They just want risk free kills. So its not really just rogue problem.

Also this. This is a majority of the pk nowadays.