Why is there such a hate on for rogues?

[ecthus]

But these discriminations against rogues has been going on forever up to the point that we can't clan rogues on ds in any clan but Ko'bal, and then when/if we do clan we clan maybe 1 or 2 a year. The rule would be better if it didn't just exclude the current masters, but the members of the clan that were at the time clanned already before the rule was applied. Otherwise you just made the work of quite a few of these ko'bal who put time in to achieve this goal pointless.

I agree that the change should have included non-master rogues clanned at the time, but it's kind of a wash.

As far as I know, the decision to stop clanning rogues in clans other than Ko'bal was a player decision, not an imm one. It's possible it was a Dark Council thing, but it's been in place for most of the last decade, and my guess is every clan would decide to continue the policy if the discussion was opened again. Especially now that Eviscerator and Noikkor don't need to spam-clan anyone who comes along :-S

[Dimmu]

The MUD is moribund and directionless. The owner should just give in to his paranoia and just shut it down or hand it over to someone who cares. All problems solved then.

[Iskveri]

Eh, about the only Rogue that has hate on it by the game itself is human, really. They're only use is solo smobbing garbage mobs and solo smobbing newbies on their own side imo.

Want to pk? Anywhere north of TV and west of Baerlon has a move cost of idiocy per room. If that's not enough, here's a rat, raven, crow or seanchan scout every 5 rooms you won't be able to avoid/kill in time to prevent it from telling the "pk sides" to swarm you. Bring 10 horses to stash! ... guy who needs to be on foot to use your skills. Blah, blah, blah, blah...

If anything, swapping WoTMUD to "Easy" means trolloc rogue if any race/comparison was, and even then they still won't try sneaking down past TV alone for some reason.

I'd lump seanchan in with them, but seanchan don't really suffer any of those things raiding human lands + are ridiculously easy to stat by comparison.

[Zangief]

I love having a room close to pk that I can sit without spamming.

Our pk culture has evolved into this...

Wouldn't be surprised if we see a halo_on/off option eventually where if you had halo on you couldn't be attacked by players.

[Mikhan]

Obviously not enough has been done to bring the rogue class into line.

I suggest changing stab to be like charge, where the timer increases with fleelag!

Oh and maybe they should only be allowed to wear dodge eq. Probably channies too for that matter

[Lykan]

This thread delivers.

[Loomis]

This thread delivers.

Awwwe...is that all? I was expecting more from you boss...we all know your stance on rogues :p

[arkaza]

I'm admittedly the worst rogue to pk beside in the game. I just prefer playing that character as a semi-asshole. That being said:

1) You can thank certain fades for consistantly ruining pk by being semi-assholes but with added cheese bonus of being able to rat/raven then fade in to ruin crossrace as well as normal pk, smobbing etc. It was to the point where pk was over just because one of these guys showed up. Counter? Go in and afk if you didnt get lamed.

2) No kobie fadings to discourage people from being that guy from point #1, although it sucks for folks that werent allowed to grandfather to fade.

3)TOO MANY NOHIDES. Rogues have come to rely on cheese maneuvers because everywhere is a nohide, so everyone is generally spamming or unstabable most of the time. It also destroyed any hope of catching people off guard in cities. Every square, half the crossings and shops, every gate? Realistically a crowded place should make it EASIER to shank someone's ass!


Start taking out nohides everywhere and you will see a drastic improvement in pk overall, and I won't have to scoff at fing Loomis idling somewhere every time I log on.

[Lykan]

What's the point? It's just a bunch of people who have little-to-no experience or success playing other classes whining how one of the most handheld classes on the game (the one they happen to play) is persecuted. I'm arguably one of the best chasers on the game and your comments about how easy rogues are to kill if people'd stop being so damn lazy are truly awesome. It's like saying that if poor people weren't so damn lazy, they wouldn't be poor.

For myself, I'd take you guys a lot more seriously if you weren't so amazingly narrow-minded and talked about these issues from a game-wide balance perspective rather than just whining that everyone is picking on you. But then again, as someone already pointed out, this is Player's Lounge and nothing about this thread is aimed at actual productive conversation.

[Loomis]

Start taking out nohides everywhere and you will see a drastic improvement in pk overall, and I won't have to scoff at fing Loomis idling somewhere every time I log on.

Exactly this! Take them out and the people would be forced to be at keyboard and active. Keep 1 per city or something, as i stated before. I am probably the worst for sitting around idle...I have this running in the background most of the day, and keep checkin in until i see some group pk I can join...dont get me wrong, i could still do this from the 1 no hide per city, but as Arkaza said...if you take most of them out, it will encourage pk; and riskier pk too. I swear i remember a time when fd gates weren't no hide, and I used to stab at people there all the time.