LS clan wars

[Zangief]

Wanna see if we can delve into the history of why these went away and the effect it had on lightside over the years and how players viewed the wars both good and bad.

[Paj]

I have nothing to add as far as history though I recall the Tear-Illian conflict, and the general Tower/Amador conflict.

I was busy with only one character then and didn't involve.

But I've considered getting a pseudo war started (with a set end date and clearing of issues) between existing clans just for fun. It would make for some interesting events, re-engagement of clans, interesting sameside PK, etc.

I just haven't been playing much recently to pursue.

Would love to read about clan war histories on wiki.

[Ashlee]

If memory serves, the warranting system did a lot to curb some of them. Especially when I was in the Compies. We were at war with Tear and we not allowed to warrant their members unless they broke one of our laws (which from an RP standpoint makes no sense). Also, I think, the general decline in the numbers. Same with Compies, I was 1 of maybe 4 active back then (right when Atienne got rank 8) and there were maybe 3 Defenders active. When a lot of southern clans went inactive, the pkers pushed north. Lancers, especially, do all they can as a clan not to engage in southern politics, so clan wars don't involve some of the more active pk clans (Cav, Gaidin, and Lancers) because they have other focuses (fighting DS and protecting AS).

Just my 2 cents. I have a couple of alts floating around that I would clan in the southern clans real fast if a clan war got started!

[Landon]

Same side pk sucks, especially if more than 1 stabber or charger is involved. Typically, mob support is too far away (although the RE/CoL war was relatively close). Same side pk sucks. Use of other countries as "safe zones". Same side pk sucks. Declining numbers meaning less people that want to deal with the bureaucratic headaches. Same side pk sucks.

[pial]

Back in the day wars were something to do when I got tired of chasing fleebie seanchan all over almoth. The CW wars with COL, Andor, Sword and Hand, Tower, Iron Fist, Defenders, and probably others I don't even remember were possible because back in the day there were way more players who enjoyed messing around and having fun/silly wars and would give things an actual try. The player base these days is more made up of entitled, scared players who don't want to do anything but smob and or bad roleplay. It's also why pk is so god awful at this point in the mud's history, the average player is just not a fun person to play with/against, have entitlement issues toward scalp/gear, and are afraid of their own shadow.

Also there are a few players these days that have an alt in every clan and use their powers to make the mud even more boring! With the smaller numbers in each clan, and the entitled, scared people that make up those small numbers, a few power players have way more say than they used to back in the day. Sad!

[Akaon]

last few actual clan wars ive seen, not just skirmish with the tower, the players of those clans more or less stopped playing for a while. this was maybe 5 years ago now?

[Firimei Lang]

Nothing wrong with some creative RPish clan wars, it is when people are idiots and act out of personal malice. I think the latter puts a downer on the whole Clan War and coupled with the player base.

[Aira]

last few actual clan wars ive seen, not just skirmish with the tower, the players of those clans more or less stopped playing for a while. this was maybe 5 years ago now?

Yeah that happened with the war with the Lion Warden and the Lion Warden war before that. If wars were defined as a set of skirmishes and each skirmish had a set end date, it wouldn't be so bad. But the people who just like to play without political issues just play alts when there's wars, as do the people who dislike sameside pk. It also didn't help that most clan wars happened with or against Andor/Eagles and back then having the benefit of their patrols during raids was a good reason not to start wars that would essentially last forever.

[Yasmin]

I really like same side PK, it can be a lot more challenging and fun as you simply can't spam for one person. I get why people don't like it but mostly those people are just lazy or complacent in what they are used to.