I just dont understand...

[Razhak]

I got into extreme linktrouble at downer at hurt.. tried to flee from 7 humans and died shamefully somewhere alln downer.

Mikhan yells it and finally some good souls decide to drop my eq (after some complaining I heard).

However, the people returning decide to return all my equipment... except my gleamer: which they "wont return"

What is the big idea about this? I returned angreal, herons and other things from LD and semi-LD people. I have treated incapped LD people (remember that ninja-log, Gretchen ).

Why return at all if you are selectively not returning certain items? In that case just man up and not return anything at all...

Just my thoughts of the day.

Kind regards,

Razhak

[Brocas]

+1

[Mikhan]

Slight hijack, but on the topic of "I don't understand"

Malkier Gate
This large iron gate leads to the fallen kingdom of Malkier, now covered
up by the Blight. A large stone road runs east to west and to the south
is the inner wall that surrounds the Keep. Hunting parties often use
this gate to journey into the Blight.
[ obvious exits: N E W ]
A mirrored lantern has been left here.
A dull, black key rests in the shadows.
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
A black shadow stallion paws the ground here, fiery-red eyes shining with evil, being ridden by you.
A black cat meanders to an unknown destination.
*Darlana* is standing here mending a weapon, riding a bloodstock stallion.
*Via* is standing here, riding a gray palfrey.
A dun mare is here, snorting angrily.
A Shienaran guard keeps watch at the gate.
A Shienaran guard keeps watch at the gate.
A Shienaran guard keeps watch at the gate.
A Shienaran guard keeps watch at the gate.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > Dusty Road by Fal Dara
The road branches here, the main route leading north and south while a
wider offshoot leads up a hill to the west, approaching the gates of Fal
Dara. Despite the terrain, the ground appears well trodden and in good
repair, obviously worn down by constant use.
[ obvious exits: N S ]
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A black shadow stallion paws the ground here, fiery-red eyes shining with evil, being ridden by you.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > 0
[where ]
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Mikhan - Dusty Road by Fal Dara
Gryk - The Dusty Road

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > nar just darlana and via malkier atm
You narrate 'just darlana and via malkier atm'

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > rel
You aren't in touch with saidin to release anything.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > nar i sitting 1n
You narrate 'i sitting 1n'

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > r
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > ali 9 cl gate
Ok.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > ali 8 op gate
Ok.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > www
ww
[chang posture defensive]
Posture changed to: Defensive

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > [chang mood wimpy]
Mood changed to: Wimpy

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong >
*Darlana* has arrived from the south.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > cha wimp 44
st
You will now flee if you go below 44 hit points.

1
* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > You stop resting, and stand up.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong > [k human]
You try to strike *Darlana*, but she deflects the blow.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong - Darlana: Scratched > seize

*Bofin* has arrived from the south, riding a bloodstock stallion.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong - Darlana: Scratched > You feel the flows of saidin coursing through your body.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong - Darlana: Scratched >
*Bofin* leaves south riding a bloodstock stallion.

* R HP:Healthy SP:Strong MV:Strong - Darlana: Scratched > cl gate
f
Ok.

You panic and attempt to flee!rong - Darlana: Scratched >
A violent storm erupts and fierce winds blow through the area.
A hurricane force wind lifts you off the ground!
A hurricane force wind swirls a shadow stallion around in the air, then puts it down.
.

[Eol]

I wasn't there. Through the years people have engaged in things that other players eventually refuse to tolerate. Gleamers may not be in the same league as horse stabbing or incinerating, but humans hate gleamers and to some extent gleamer users. You can say whatever you like to that, but I'm not the least bit surprised this happened and it wouldn't surprise me if it continued to happen or if you were even killed under less righteous circumstances when the opportunity arose. Back in the day I'd write something trying to predict what I think you'd say and respond to it in advance, but who has the time for that crap.

I blame Robert Jordan for ever inventing Thakandar steel.

[Razhak]

I dont like channelers, but dont go out of my way to hate on them. If I kill one LD or semi LD, I returned in the past. No matter how many ice spikes, flamestrikes of zings they have thrown my way in the past.

I returned stabbing sets to people who have stabbed me in the past.. thats how things roll..

Same for others (heron, shockers, OCGs, angreal.. all kinds).

Why return at all, if you dont intent to actually return? You can rag on me or others for using gleamers, but thats irrelevant to the question of returning eq in such cases?

I am questioning the ethics of it all. I never ask for eq returned if I rip regularly.. thats not my style. However if it was semi LD (I just couldnt move at all around downer, I tried to get away, but I wasnt getting anywhere, just after I hit the CoD my screen rushed past and I could actually see what happened.. )

I try to be helpfull to people myself in game: help people with their game, PK, smob, re-eq, RP/DFs.. and then things like this happens.

It is actually a bit demoralising.

[Landon]

But would you have died anyways?

[Razhak]

But would you have died anyways?

from hurt at downer? Had my link worked: not likely.

I dont know what it matters, really?

[anomander]

To say that you were even remotely LD is a pretty big stretch... You were able to dline and move multiple rooms, which in my limited opinion, doesnt really indicate someone who is LD. To die because you were lagging is one thing but LD an entirely different story...

[Razhak]

My trouble was so bad I kept inputting 2lines from downer trying to get away.
I didnt say I was LD, but for all matters from my end, it was almost like I was. I kept getting extreme lag and each time I was caught.
You pked me before in Blight... do you think I would go scr/hurt to rip if I had been on a good link?

[Protus]

I have played with and against Razhak tons over the last what...15 years, and he is many things but deserving of being questioned about his link issues isn't one of them. I fully believe him when he says it was the reason he rip as I have seen him get away from more with less in the past.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping any equipment no matter how crappy you think the technique is. There is no reason for this behavior other then pettiness.