Wheel of Time Season 3

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Katherine
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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by Katherine » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:19 am

halfhand wrote:
Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:34 pm
They will likely have to skip Cairhien. The Shaido and the People of the Dragon will have to fight over Tear instead, and Rand will take Callandar mid-season. They're going to to teleport Matt here in time to establish his battle credentials and the Band of Red Hand. Matt will enter second doorway (which somehow gets mcguffind from the White Tower). The Shaido gets scattered. Setup for Dumai's well for the season finale.
Quite plausible.

halfhand wrote:
Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:34 pm
White Tower rebels flee and establish their version of Salidar. Introduce the key players here, and Egwene and Nynaeve will need to come here.

Black Tower needs to get established here for Dumai's watch for the series finale. Taim/Demandred will be introduced.

Elayne is probably going to be slated to hit Caemlyn to free Morgase from Rahvin, and likely will be the main hero here and have no involvement from Rand. Unsure how she is going to get any further time with Rand to further their relationship line.
Egwene, Elayne, Nynaeve and Mat are on a ship at the end of Season 3. They are probably heading to Tear where they will join Rand for the Battle of the Stone in first episodes of Season 4. That gets them in the right place and the right time to rejoin their original role from the books. Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne would have run into Gaebril long ago if the plot was book accurate. Nothing really comes from that confrontation other than just being introduced to Gaebril and his influence over Morgase. We already got that from prior episodes when Gaebril and Morgase visited TV, so there's no reason for them to go to Caemlyn at this point. I agree that their likely next stop after Tear is going to be Salidar.

Mat and Thom would presumably continue on to Salidar with Elayne in keeping with the books. At some point though, especially now that Mat (presumably) remembers his former lives, he starts forming the Band of the Red Hand. The band had already formed by the time he left for Salidar with Elayne, so it should be time.

Assuming Moiraine does not try to chase Lanfear in Season 4 and end up with the Finns, they will have to put her somewhere in the story since she is most definitely not in the main narrative at this point in the books. Rand and Moiraine already had their "thank you for everything" moment in the season 4 finale, so I assume they separate at some point. Otherwise its like saying goodbye to someone and walking off awkwardly in the same direction. So Moiraine could end up in Salidar in place of Siuan as advisor to Egwene. Also Thom is in Salidar. Now that Siuan is out of the picture....you know, just saying. :lol:

Another possible outcome for Moiraine is that she follows Rand to Tear and then is trapped with the Finn after using the other twisted door angreal in the Stone. In the books, the two doors are in Rhuidean and Tear. So this fits. This is also where Mat would also visit the Finn for the second time and get Ashandarei. I do not recall him having it after being hung from the door in Tanchico, but maybe I missed a detail. It would be weird for him to get the spear though in Tear because the Aelfinn do not grant gifts/boons. Anyways, I still do not see them writing Pike out of the show this way only to bring her back one or two seasons later.
halfhand wrote:
Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:34 pm
Black Tower needs to get established here for Dumai's watch for the series finale. Taim/Demandred will be introduced.

Elayne is probably going to be slated to hit Caemlyn to free Morgase from Rahvin, and likely will be the main hero here and have no involvement from Rand. Unsure how she is going to get any further time with Rand to further their relationship line.
I can see the Asha'man just showing up on screen with no introduction. Imagine Taim extending his hand to Rand as he gets out of the box surrounded by dozens of Asha'man glowing with saidin with weaves extending to all of the Aes Sedai shielding them from the source in a demonstration of power. Cut to finale episode credits.
halfhand wrote:
Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:34 pm
Elayne is probably going to be slated to hit Caemlyn to free Morgase from Rahvin, and likely will be the main hero here and have no involvement from Rand. Unsure how she is going to get any further time with Rand to further their relationship line.
That could happen particularly given the proclivities of these writers when changing the source material.

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by halfhand » Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:46 am

Katherine wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:19 am
Another possible outcome for Moiraine is that she follows Rand to Tear and then is trapped with the Finn after using the other twisted door angreal in the Stone. In the books, the two doors are in Rhuidean and Tear. So this fits. This is also where Mat would also visit the Finn for the second time and get Ashandarei. I do not recall him having it after being hung from the door in Tanchico, but maybe I missed a detail. It would be weird for him to get the spear though in Tear because the Aelfinn do not grant gifts/boons. Anyways, I still do not see them writing Pike out of the show this way only to bring her back one or two seasons later.
He gets hung from a spear. It's a very easy miss, and I didn't even see it myself until looking at the actual still:
https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp- ... ason-3.jpg

So it's going to be "huh" moment for a lot of people when he is just running around with the ashenderai later.

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by Katherine » Fri Apr 25, 2025 9:15 pm

halfhand wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:46 am
He gets hung from a spear. It's a very easy miss, and I didn't even see it myself until looking at the actual still:
https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp- ... ason-3.jpg

So it's going to be "huh" moment for a lot of people when he is just running around with the ashenderai later.
I need to go back and watch that again. I missed it for sure. I thought he was just hanging from the door frame.

Also want to add that I appreciated the special effects they put in for balefire. The beam itself and its difficulty to handle was...whatever, but the extra detail of actually undoing the recent actions that the black ajah sister (Jaine Caide?) did the last few minutes up until the point where she was hit by the beam was a nice detail. Explaining balefire without needing to explain balefire is the subtlety I prefer onscreen rather than lazy dialog exposition.

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by Firimei Lang » Tue Apr 29, 2025 8:25 am

Loved it
Bar loosing Sammuel and siune

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by Kitiara » Fri May 23, 2025 4:07 pm

Cancelled :roll:

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by Eol » Fri May 23, 2025 11:01 pm

If the show had been canceled at the end of season two, I wouldn’t of shed a tear. Season three was pretty good though. Brings to mind a a story I read about Agatha All Along and the Acolyte on Disney. I think both had a reasonably "similar" viewership, but one of them cost a fraction of the other.

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Re: Wheel of Time Season 3

Post by halfhand » Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:43 am

Here's what Brandon Sanderson commented when asked about the cancellation:
"I wasn't really involved. Don't know anything more than what is public. They told me they were renegotiating, and thought it would work out. Then I heard nothing for 2 months. Then learned this from the news like everyone else. I do think it's a shame, as while I had my problems with the show, it had a fanbase who deserved better than a cancelation after the best season. I won't miss being largely ignored; they wanted my name on it for legitimacy, but not to involve me in any meaningful way."
He didn't mince words to cap off the end of a fairly rocky relationship.

My ultimate post-mortem on the cancellation/failure of the show is that it essentially derived from 3 factors.

1. Bad set of environmental externality. Filming during Covid-19, the abrupt early departure of Barney Harris, the writer's strikes. Those are big challenges that would strain even the best productions, and added to higher expenses and a little janky end of Season 1, and obviously needs to acknowledged.
2. Bad executive management by Amazon. Not giving the show enough breathing room with artificially constrained runtime and episode run. Really shitty job of marketing and promoting. Season 3 was essentially stealth launched, although by that time it was obvious they were done with the show. But even in early seasons, this show made zero waves and peep in social media outside of niche communities. Because they alienated a lot of the book community, they should have done a better job, even if it was astroturfing engagement, which they failed.
3. Show-running/writing. At the end, you can say Rafe was probably not the right person for the job. It takes a skilled hand to take wheel of time, make the right changes, and have a great TV medium product, and this was not it. I think if the first two points were not an issue, the show may have managed to stumble forward another season 1 or 2, but I don't think the end product would still do the books justice. At the end of the day, you could've gotten a really good show that seemed consistent with the characters and theme of the story, or you can have a entertaning good show that resonates with the general public even if it is not very accurate, but the show obvious didn't hit either of them.

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