Fostering an Accountable Community

[Draz]

And yes, I do believe the punishments are way out of line with any gain. I don't know, maybe I am misunderstanding something about cheating in I think of it in transactional terms. And consider it separately to attacking players/griefing.

You dupe 100k of equipment; you get something.
You steal money; you get something.

I.. unintentionally lead an extra mob into pk that does not affect the kill (something like 98% confidence was calcd), that I provide log of.

I.. forget to post a vote thread.. having already had 2-3 proceed to clanning that week, 2 months into a clanning drive the clan agreed to that had every person elible to vote already say yes.

I.. have a mob that wields a gleamer while I'm not in the room, that doesn't result in and likely inhibits the chance of getting kills. That multiple people offer to provide proof of.

I.. hit a city under sedai instructions with a roleplay justification, against a clan we were blanket warranting

I.. hit the same city against the specific clan that is posted in AS forums as 'it would have been ok if it were these guys'..

I.. use engagement mechanics that I see used every day, for something super risky and dangerous..

I.. discuss rahien balance and difficulty with imms while hitting it..

I.. report numerous issues with TAR to the imm I was explicitly told to report TAR issues to, at the time. As were others..

I run and save someone in pk,.. without using bonuses,.. and immediately leave the pk once they pass.


All of these resulted in stuff along the lines of 6 month bans, declans, lengthy punishments and massive dockings.

Yes I don't think they're exactly standard.

[Elysia]

They don't promote fun pk. They don't keep players.

Know what does? Literally everything I do.

#1 reason I quit the game (and I know others who did) was because of
the impossibility of finding non-Draz impacted play.

It's funny, because I try to get out of doing anything in a Draz group out of fear that I find something I will end up having to police. Even if that means renting for the night and doing something else entirely. And this is just because I have been grouped with Draz and found him doing stuff that was unintended and eventually prompted code changes, soooo...

[Draz]

Oh. You know it doesn't just come from imms for people telling me do or not to do stuff?

Several smobs it was suggested not to farm because too easy (main one was horse thief), others were some of the 'rotating' specials from Ely

Pahar on DS because of engage bug

Not throwing projectiles at Gholam (at least not if it wasn't going to achieve a kill)

Always asking accepted if they're not willing to go in cities

Always checking for lightball before entering tear

Not silencing cityheads

Breaking/dumping 1 use keys (was from an imm I think)

[Draz]

If an accepted says this seems like an exploit, then thats what it will be treated like...

[isabel]

In the case stated above I felt you were incredibly toxic and disruptive for months across multiple alts (not just to me), a really unpleasant person to play with bonded, non communicative (over 6 months without giving direction) as a sedai mentor, and completely unreliable in pk, blaming everything at every instance, and disappearing without notice in Every. Single. Pk. I counted.

I did leave pk whenever you showed up because it was not fun for me to play with you. I've been very open about that.

If you want people to play with you maybe try to see why someone isn't having fun vs just assuming you're perfect and they're the problem for disappearing. And if you couldn't give a dung about whether other players have fun or not AND you play all the time, AND claim you are the harbinger of fun then maybe take a look in the mirror at what you actually bring to the space.

And let's be honest. Has THIS ever happened to you Draz?

(Someone is afk and you say)
u pking?
I'm on xyz
Coming?
He's low
Need u to hit abc
Hit now
...
I died
really wish you would communicate better
5-6 more messages about what a problem player the person is
(the other player is still afk)


Regarding bond and Sedai mentorship, that's just priceless. Elysia, I hope you get a chuckle out of this given that you almost hauled me up for favouritism towards his Accepted. The number of people who told not to bother with Draz and I did anyway for way too long..too funny to hear this, but unsurprising from you Draz.

The deal breaker for me with ever bothering with you as a player again was when you kept haranguing me for not being communicative enough even though I was grieving - and told you so.

You literally can't seem to hear anything but your own head. Which you seem to need to repeat endlessly. You can't even see what people are doing for you or have done for you.

"I appreciate your time/effort BUT bla bla and more bla" doesn't cut it.

I continue to hope that you get therapy and I continue to hope that imms get out of their guilt-complex and limit the amount of space you take up.

[Draz]

Hey.

I reviewed the logs/timeframes.
Looks like it was a little less than 6 months.
A single task via mail; and I didn't ever see you give instructions or tasks ingame (I did tend to log that alt and afk at the time).

I believe I apologised at the time, when you mentioned grieving, regardless, I am sorry for any impact at that time.

[Rig]

This thread is reason #5 I’m going from functional alcoholic to nonfunctional alcoholic

[Kryyg]

I find Draz enjoyable to Pk with and against. Chaotic. Fun.

As to all the RP and SMOB allegations I do think punishment should align with who the victim was. In most of these cases - no one. However, repeat offenders do need to be punished. Site bans serve no one (for victim less crimes and from someone who is not an immortal).

I remember when I was site banned and deleted. I was a child then so any rational punishment probably wouldn’t have worked. Most of my cheating was 15/30 wait times so in my mind victimless but I did call Nas’s some bad names. Draz is an adult I think. Surely something can be reasoned out with fair punishment while still allowing him to contribute/play. Or a punishment that does both - he has to pay back 10 herons, 10 wicked axes and turn in 200 Ep’s before he can get his bonuses back. Something like that sounds reasonable.

I don’t know enough details to favor one side or the other but I would say we are at a time of the highest level of immortal transparency and fairness.

I think in this scenario a reasonable amount of mutual respect is perceived to be lacking from both sides. Draz contribution to the game and play with many players is quite tremendous and at the same time the immortals who spend considerable time implementing fun things to have them gamed or cheated is probably also equally frustrating.

We can flag Draz as PK only. This will help the game.

[isabel]

Hey.

I reviewed the logs/timeframes.
Looks like it was a little less than 6 months.
A single task via mail; and I didn't ever see you give instructions or tasks ingame (I did tend to log that alt and afk at the time).

Proving my point that you always act like everyone else is the problem. It's hilariously sad how distorted your perspective is. I did go back and skim your thread just now and the same pattern just repeats itself:

- you don't follow the simplest most basic requirements
- you constantly act like injured party
- you forget, dismiss, ignore and take for granted the labour, kindness and grace extended to you
- you argue, argue and argue some more
- people get fed up and give up and walk away
- you then label Them as the problem

[isabel]

I wil agree on one point though, that when I realised how much I dislike playing with you and how entrenched you are in the space, I should have quit then and there instead of much later.

Unfortunately I too was too hung up on the game myself to walk away immediately, and that was pleasant for no one.

So to that extent I agree with you -its better to have a Draz pking with his buddies and doing whatever than multiple people who don't like each other.

No hard feelings though ultimately. We've all been part of a shared space and I wish you well. I would not go back to play while you're around but thats no real loss.

I do think you should consider therapy because there IS an issue with how you interact with people. Your views on what happened vs what people actually did and do for you are vastly different.

I know you mean well, so I say that with friendliness. Take it as you will.