Fostering an Accountable Community

[Alison]

7 channelers killed a 1418 HP mob last night in four rounds. There is nothing that can compete with that. 4 rounds is not enough time for me to add more activity into the activity. It is the end of the activity for everyone.

When Feneon mentioned this to Staff, I said "oof" out loud. It's another example of the min-maxing that has been mentioned before. And sure, people got the goodies faster, but something like this does make the entire event anti-climactic for both imms and players.

There are only so many tools at the immortals' disposal to balance channelers in particular. We are well beyond the limits of what we can do with the game to create balance, especially in live situations. The most sure-fire way is no-channel, or blocking channelers from participating altogether, which is obviously not an option we want to take. Or we will just have to start using those fun 100% hide gray man mobs. See what I'm getting at here? There are only unfun solutions for imms to take here.

Most players have been around long enough to know nothing in a live event stands up to a group of channelers like that. If players want the fun, start making other choices and as players, looping back to accountability, actively point this out to other players. I know there are several players with channeler who have no alts, to which I would say: make up a reason on why you can't use all of your sps. If you're a Yellow, you will "need to save some in case someone needs Healing". If you're a Green, "there may be other threats forthcoming".

Take some accountability here.

Laughing loudly in real life. Few years back, we where hitting kobal keep i think , or something similar. And i kept getting tells on why i wasnt weaving in the group. Most of my responses was, i need sps for gating - Everyone knows alison is a gater. But mainly, i saw the op power of our group in that we where basically just sweeing the floor of the smobs with sps and the meat shields was there for decoration.

Having played a lot of characters since 2006 , i barely have time to play alison. This being said, i tend to think that Alison is the combination of all of the other chars i had. I had a mc that i gated around with for years and i think only like 3 people on this mud knew about it. Then alison finally shawled and i was like i dont need the mc anymore. Same with my Winged guard and tower guard. I simply dont have time for all of those alts anymore.

I am definately not one of those that strive to have every trinket in the game. or the highest qps or rp points. What brings me back constantly is the narrative of the world. Being alison in this world gives me the itch scratching i dont get in real life. When i pk, i pk, when i smob, i smob. The biggest driving force that has always been part of my experience here is the people. 2006 to 2024 has seen some serious changes. I mean
heck it took me 11 rl year to finally shawl. ( I was super stuborn).

My accountabillity in all of this is that as Feneon posted, learn pk if you cant pk. Learn rp if you cant rp. I will keep coming back to this mud due to the massive ever evolving story you imms put into the world. I thank you for that. May you be blessed forever.

Elysia and the rest of you guys doing immortal and mortal things. As a long time player, i appreciate the work you guys do and thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Chris.

[byrg]

Shout out to garrick for being the only one in a group of 8 to actually call out trash behavior and take a stand last night.

Tried to make 1v8 work at fidrag, 2 humans died to it in the process while I was fighting before I died to them - group of Garrick, Maddy, Vala, Isktamost, Alesso, Maximus, Kyson and Rebeka... and they refused to return the two scalps - Garrick asked about it multiple times and they purposefully refused. Garrick was the only one to speak up and call them out, and actually ended up quitting out and leaving because of it.

[Vala]

Shout out to garrick for being the only one in a group of 8 to actually call out trash behavior and take a stand last night.

Tried to make 1v8 work at fidrag, 2 humans died to it in the process while I was fighting before I died to them - group of Garrick, Maddy, Vala, Isktamost, Alesso, Maximus, Kyson and Rebeka... and they refused to return the two scalps - Garrick asked about it multiple times and they purposefully refused. Garrick was the only one to speak up and call them out, and actually ended up quitting out and leaving because of it.

Alesso and Maximus both mobbed before you arrived. Maddy and I died to the same mobs after you arrived. You and I weren’t engaged and never hit each other. The only possible relation you had to my death was causing some chaos during which I was suddenly killed by many mobs ganging up on me at once.

I wasn’t there for the disagreement over the scalps, and didn’t realize there was one until after it was over, so I took no position on it one way or the other. Now that I’m aware of it, and since I was lumped together with the group and jointly accused of not calling out trash behavior, I’ll offer an opinion here.

It seems I was likely to mob rip anyway due to some mistake, as I have done many times without any outside intervention. This assumption is supported by the fact that two more experienced players with better defense and HP were killed by the same mobs before you arrived.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think you earned my scalp. You would have a stronger case if nobody had died before you showed up. Perhaps they should've let you have the scalps and asked staff to decide whether you earned them or not.

Someone scalped Alesso and Maximus as soon as you arrived because we figured you would probably attempt to collect those as well. I think they should've let you do it then reported you for it.

Since you brought up trash behavior and would like it called out, I feel that hunting down much weaker, lower-level solo players qualifies. Sometimes it’s a new player but that doesn’t seem to matter. To put it plainly, you are well known for going after cheap kills. I also recognize you’re not the only one who does it, and perhaps I missed it, but I don’t see DS calling out such behavior.

[byrg]

Shout out to garrick for being the only one in a group of 8 to actually call out trash behavior and take a stand last night.

Tried to make 1v8 work at fidrag, 2 humans died to it in the process while I was fighting before I died to them - group of Garrick, Maddy, Vala, Isktamost, Alesso, Maximus, Kyson and Rebeka... and they refused to return the two scalps - Garrick asked about it multiple times and they purposefully refused. Garrick was the only one to speak up and call them out, and actually ended up quitting out and leaving because of it.

Alesso and Maximus both mobbed before you arrived. Maddy and I died to the same mobs after you arrived. You and I weren’t engaged and never hit each other. The only possible relation you had to my death was causing some chaos during which I was suddenly killed by many mobs ganging up on me at once.

I wasn’t there for the disagreement over the scalps, and didn’t realize there was one until after it was over, so I took no position on it one way or the other. Now that I’m aware of it, and since I was lumped together with the group and jointly accused of not calling out trash behavior, I’ll offer an opinion here.

It seems I was likely to mob rip anyway due to some mistake, as I have done many times without any outside intervention. This assumption is supported by the fact that two more experienced players with better defense and HP were killed by the same mobs before you arrived.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think you earned my scalp. You would have a stronger case if nobody had died before you showed up. Perhaps they should've let you have the scalps and asked staff to decide whether you earned them or not.

Someone scalped Alesso and Maximus as soon as you arrived because we figured you would probably attempt to collect those as well. I think they should've let you do it then reported you for it.

Since you brought up trash behavior and would like it called out, I feel that hunting down much weaker, lower-level solo players qualifies. Sometimes it’s a new player but that doesn’t seem to matter. To put it plainly, you are well known for going after cheap kills. I also recognize you’re not the only one who does it, and perhaps I missed it, but I don’t see DS calling out such behavior.

As soon as I entered the room and was engaged on the group of you, it became pk. If you died to mobs because of the way engage landed *while there was pk* that scalp was still fair game, from everything thing i've seen in 10+ years of playing... and to your point, if you disagree, mail staff. Had no intention of scalping the two who were already dead before i walked in, and any assumption otherwise is clearly the biased opinion of someone who already has a grudge. I've never been a rule breaker, I don't like risking docking or zapping, or whatever the hell else might come of that kinda dung on my only char, so shrug.

You also seem to be conveniently forgetting that one of your own was so upset by the way you all acted that they literally quit out of the game and left their gear.

To your other comments... its a pk mud. Once you're of a level that you provide a scalp worth qps, your'e fair game. That's always been the stance. Does it suck sometimes? Sure. But that's how it is. As far as I'm concerned doubly so when you're on a channeler that can change the entire path of a fight with a single weave. We seem to have more and more people of late who'd jump for joy at a "no-pk" flag, so they can run around in a smob-chat-room, which has always been on the nowhere in hell list because it's *supposed* to be a dangerous place.

[Kryyg]

Scalps should never be returned. It's unclear to me when this became appropriate culture or acceptable. Actually, returning your own sides scalps should reward QPs to prevent this. Revenge kill bonus QPs.

[byrg]

Scalps should never be returned. It's unclear to me when this became appropriate culture or acceptable. Actually, returning your own sides scalps should reward QPs to prevent this. Revenge kill bonus QPs.

Honestly, if that was the rule... at least it would be consistent. Downside i see is a lot of people instantly running home after a kill to turn in, in that case, which would probably mess with the flow of pk a bit.

[Garrick]

I think that my reaction here was a bit much for the given situation and I don't really want it to be used to make a point that the listed people are bad. They aren't. Most of the people mentioned weren't really involved in the same side scalping, aside from just being indifferent to it. I didn't even see Maddy and Vala die. I just knew that they had died after Byrg started fighting us and so I questioned why we were scalping them. In my mind Byrg had made things a little more interesting by attempting to fight us in a situation that really did not favor him at all. People often complain about him not being fun to fight, but he took a risk here and died. I appreciated his effort. You know he's trying to get qps and has been having trouble finding PK for weeks, why be spiteful to him here? The answer i got was along the lines of "If it was anyone other than Byrg I would have left them". If you don't like him you should kill him more. Looking for petty ways to spite him is just going to discourage him from trying and its already really slim pickings out there PK-wise.