can someone explain how this happened?

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skagog
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can someone explain how this happened?

Post by skagog » Fri May 20, 2022 8:09 pm

how did conway manage to hit sqwak in this situation?






* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Conway: Wounded > -
Piperss has arrived from the east.

=
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!
Piperss leaves west.

+
A bearish trolloc barely tickles Conway's body with his slash.
A muzzled trolloc joins a wolfish trolloc's fight!
A wolfish trolloc barely crushes Conway's body.

* *
*Conway* leaves west.

+ = -
A wolfish trolloc leaves west.
A bearish trolloc leaves west.
A muzzled trolloc leaves west.

w
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Cancelled.
The Gatekeep
Two large round towers lie to the west and the same to the east. This area
is enclosed by great walls connecting all four towers, with portcullises
in between the towers to the east and west. The portcullis to the west is
jammed half way down. The portcullis to the east has a large hole ripped
through the iron bars. Beyond the east portcullis lie the main gates to
the castle courtyard. These monstrous oak doors are wide open leaving the
castle totally unprotected. A path runs westward away from the castle.
[ obvious exits: E W ]
A remnant of the Age of Legends juts from the soil.
A muzzled trolloc is here, fighting Conway.
A bearish trolloc is here, fighting Conway.
A wolfish trolloc is here, howling for blood.
*Conway* is here, fighting Sqwak.
Piperss the Loathsome Battler and Dark Wisdom is standing here.
A burly trolloc stands here, eyeing the surroundings.
Sqwak the Beaked Trolloc is here, fighting Conway.
A large rat, as black as coal, stares at you from the shadows.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
Falling silent, a muzzled trolloc tests the wind... and begins to growl.
A tall, ramshorned trolloc is here, commanding.
A tall, ramshorned trolloc is here, commanding.
A tall, ramshorned trolloc is here, commanding.

* HP:Scratched MV:Full > [k light]
You barely blast *Conway*'s body.

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded >
You blast *Conway*'s body.
A large black rat now follows Conway.
A muzzled trolloc tickles Conway's head with his cleave.
A bearish trolloc tickles Conway's head with his slash.
*Conway* cleaves Sqwak's right leg hard.

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded >
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded > j
A pike has been
raised here for showing off trophies.
[k light]
You do the best you can!

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded >
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded > j
a
[k light]
You do the best you can!

* HP:Scratched MV:Full - Sqwak: Critical - Conway: Wounded > Sqwak sends *Conway* sprawling with a powerful bash!


A muzzled trolloc cleaves Conway's right arm.
A bearish trolloc barely slashes Conway's body.
Sqwak blasts *Conway*'s right leg.

- = + * * + = - - =
You blast *Conway*'s head.
A muzzled trolloc barely cleaves Conway's right arm.
A bearish trolloc slashes Conway's left hand.
*Conway* cleaves Sqwak's right leg hard.
Sqwak is dead! R.I.P.
Your blood freezes as you hear Sqwak's death cry.
*Conway* leaves east.
They're not here anymore!

Conway
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Conway » Fri May 20, 2022 8:52 pm

Just a one round bash, I think

skagog
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by skagog » Fri May 20, 2022 8:54 pm

yes, but it shouldn't have been

Prykor
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Prykor » Fri May 20, 2022 11:50 pm

1 - it was a two round bash, you lost a round of combat due to running a timer, the details of which seem to be removed from the log (though the 'a' alias input that triggered the timer is there) You can clearly see squawk's attack at the bottom of the round order.

2 - as all attacks against him occured first in round order, his attack killing the target removed him from combat. Squawk's attack did not occur as he was already dead.

The mobs attacking Conway on both rounds help make this very clear.

Rig
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Rig » Sat May 21, 2022 12:44 am

This is just due to Conway starting their flee and the timer being near the end of the start of the bash, which had them sat for one round of combat, then their flee timer completing at the start of what is the 2nd bash round.

Sqwak
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Sqwak » Sat May 21, 2022 1:14 am

BASH
* HP:Critical MV:Winded - Conway: Hurt >
A wolfish trolloc joins your fight!
A bearish trolloc joins your fight!
A muzzled trolloc joins a wolfish trolloc's fight!
A muzzled trolloc joins a muzzled trolloc's fight!
A muzzled trolloc joins a wolfish trolloc's fight!
A large black rat tries to hit Conway, but he dodges the attack.
The burly trolloc closes the stonegate.
The burly trolloc locks the stonegate.
A large black rat barely tickles Conway's body with its hit.
A muzzled trolloc barely tickles Conway's left foot with his cleave.
A muzzled trolloc cleaves Conway's right arm.
A muzzled trolloc barely tickles Conway's head with his cleave.
A bearish trolloc barely tickles Conway's body with his slash.
A wolfish trolloc tries to crush Conway, but he parries successfully.
You blast *Conway*'s body hard.
*Conway* cleaves your left arm hard.
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

Your heartbeat calms down more as you feel less panicked.
(tic_timer): Tic length updated to: 63.103 seconds.


nar conway gk
-=
Cancelled.
You narrate 'conway gk'

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >

*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

n ar i crit
* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >

A large black rat barely tickles Conway's body with its hit.
A muzzled trolloc barely cleaves Conway's head.
A muzzled trolloc tickles Conway's head with his cleave.
A muzzled trolloc barely cleaves Conway's left leg.
A bearish trolloc tickles Conway's right hand with his slash.
A wolfish trolloc barely crushes Conway's body.

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > *Conway* leaves east. >>
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring >
nar i crit

A wolfish trolloc leaves east. >>
A bearish trolloc leaves east. >>
A muzzled trolloc leaves east. >>

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring > You narrate 'i crit'

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring >
cg

Piperss has arrived from the east.

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring > [close gate]
It's already closed!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring >
k light
k light

*Conway* has arrived from the east.

k light
k light
* HP:Critical MV:Tiring >
You barely blast *Conway*'s body.

k light
* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > You do the best you can!

k light
* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > A wolfish trolloc has arrived from the east.
A bearish trolloc has arrived from the east.
A muzzled trolloc has arrived from the east.
You do the best you can!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > You do the best you can!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > Skagog has arrived from the east.
You do the best you can!

BASH
* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded > Skagog barely blasts *Conway*'s body.
You do the best you can!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >
-
Skagog blasts *Conway*'s body.
A large black rat now follows Conway.
A muzzled trolloc tickles Conway's head with his cleave.
A bearish trolloc tickles Conway's head with his slash.
*Conway* cleaves your right leg hard.
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!


=
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

+
*
*+
*Conway* panics, and attempts to flee!

=-
-
=
Your bash at *Conway* sends him sprawling!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >
A muzzled trolloc cleaves Conway's right arm.
A bearish trolloc barely slashes Conway's body.
You blast *Conway*'s right leg.

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >
cg
[close gate]
It's already closed!

* HP:Critical MV:Tiring - Conway: Wounded >

Skagog blasts *Conway*'s head.
A muzzled trolloc barely cleaves Conway's right arm.
A bearish trolloc slashes Conway's left hand.
*someone* cleaves your right leg hard.
You are dead! Sorry...
You feel the Weave of the Wheel loosen from you.
Circle of Darkness

How is round order determined?
Are there methods are used to manipulate it?

Other than simply being less willing to die in general and therefore more willing to run to blarg like a mad hatter... I don't know what I could have done differently for that one. Seems pretty obvious that the right thing to do if someone waltzes in to GK is to roll a bash immediately regardless of other circumstances. I was hoping Ruby wanted to play "flame strike proves I've got huge ones" when done in GK vs crit trolls. I intend to bash her or die trying. Did not expect a bird like that to come flapping in and slash my face off.

So that is my view. I still don't really understand. As far as I can tell a fleeing dude was bashed and then stood, hit a dude, left a room and avoided a bash in what appears to be an ideal order to murder me. I legit asked Skagog to post because I didn't understand at the time what happened. Now that I've seen his perspective, I am even more confused.

Rig
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Rig » Sat May 21, 2022 1:40 am

Rig wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 12:44 am
This is just due to Conway starting their flee and the timer being near the end of the start of the bash, which had them sat for one round of combat, then their flee timer completing at the start of what is the 2nd bash round.
Explained here. Literally nothing you can do besides not buff, just bad luck

isabel
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by isabel » Sat May 21, 2022 2:19 am

It's a secret Lancer bonus that we're not allowed to talk about.

(But google it.)

Detritus
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by Detritus » Fri May 27, 2022 3:29 pm

It's same instance of when bash goes through after moving room.

His flee is executing him leaving room but the combat round pulse goes off at the same time as him leaving, your bash also goes off that same round.

Had he stayed in the room(and you landed bash not dead) this would have then been a 1 round bash after this also.

toshiro
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Re: can someone explain how this happened?

Post by toshiro » Sun May 29, 2022 12:57 pm

As to what can be done about it, one of the two partners should have been spamming and spamming alone. If sqwak was running bash timers, piperss was spamming, and the other was chasing, then it probably would have had a different outcome.

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