clan shuffle

[hyzael]

I think we should pair down a few clans just due to overall inactivity and not playing them often enough to justify being clanned. I'm not suggesting we destroy these clans, or get rid of them, but I think we need a universal draft to put players where they can be sucessful as a clan with active members depending on a few factors.

Honestly, Winged Guard, Sword and Hand, Civil Watch, Gleemen, Illuminators, Wall guard, Rising Sun, Valon Guard, and Thiefbane off the top of my head could go away tonight and if someone didn't say anything I don't think a majority would notice. There are more, but this is just an example you rarely see these people online and if they are, they're on alts doing other things. I understand that, but it's hard to log on and you're the sole person in your clan or your other clan mate is AFK in your city and not really playing his char heh.

I wish we could have the option to change clans again universally and swap with our qps etc and go somewhere that's remotely active or have a draft almost and pull players to other clans that are more active. I just think it's very difficult not only for character progression but, just playing that alt in general if there's never anyone online that's not afk and actually wants to do something. These clans aren't being driven by anyone or trying to do things anymore... so it's kinda pointless to spend time logging on to being the only ones online. It's a limited number of players and we probably accumulate 2-3 new players to the mud a year if we're lucky.

I wish we could centralize a bit more and then at least we'd have people to play with, the wars would be bigger, and people could get things going again. I know people are going to flip a lid when they see they have an alt in here they rarely log on outside of forum trolling but, it's a painful observation I've been noticing.

You don't even have to get rid of the clans, I just think we should have a universal LS/SS draft where if you want to switch clans and go somewhere, if it's ok'd via the voting process of the other clan, you can get switched over and retain your qps. I just think that way people can try and place into a clan without starting all over again and try and boost some activity levels. If we had 3+ people join any clan it would change the landscape of the clan and possibly even the direction because there's 3+ people in addition to the normal log ons that are now active and can do things as a clan.

Tear for the record is doing ok we have about 3-4 core members that play regularly outside of LS wars.

[Maegon]

They tried that, and it turns out if Clan A only has 1-2 active people, and they both bail to a more active Clan B, then you've officially killed Clan A. That's my understanding at least.

[Paigey]

There's some potential virtue to this and I've wondered before if some of the main "justice" clans should simply drawn/exchanged from a centralized guard clan - have the Immortals choose two cities to be a focus - stir up activity in an area, have a war and then move it to another area. Encourage people to own the map by having battles in places people don't normally play. Way too complicated and honestly assuredly can't be done. That said - it would create a mechanism for people to be on the same and different sides and eliminate the phenomenon where people come to hate each other by always being on the opposite team. Avoids some of the flaws of the war system where people in neutral clans feel left out and unable to participate. Would also encourage use of a larger portion of the map. Will never happen though. Has enormous flaws I'm not even touching. Would be described as fake by non-participants.

You are trying to unite people by consolidating them - human side is fractured and its being encouraged.

[Reyne]

I rather like the Gleemen and Illuminators myself, no need to get rid of RP clans imo.

Anyway isn't it already the case that you can switch into other clans based on that clan's vote? Are we just talking about keeping qps in that case or?

[Theia]

Tear for the record is doing ok we have about 3-4 core members that play regularly outside of LS wars.

Right now anyway.

[Rodger]

As you said probably a lot of people are around but move on to alts depending on whats going on...

There is precedent on roleplaying your way into a new clan and in some instances retaining some of your QP. It would be nice if that was maybe formalized.
Example:
If you find yourself wanting to leave a clan and join another you may do so using roleplay. If another clan accepts you they will vote on your process and award 50%, 75% or 100% of your current QP (these QP would not be available until you got to rank 6 in the new clan). This is not available for anyone under 500 QP (to reduce immortal workload).

I actually like this process especially for Gaidin and other bonused clans...they could then draw from clanned and known players...

[hyzael]

I think that's probably a bad move to draft to bonused clans hehe, but I like the ability to potentially pick up and move to another clan given you're voted in. from what I understand as far as secret clans if you're good enough you'll get found and approached etc so. that's another story.

I'm not saying to kill clans by getting mobile, I'm just saying if Lion Wardens has 4 people active every time I log on and I'm sitting over here as a neutral clan like an rp clan or justice clan that doesn't get involved alot in wars etc with nothing to do all the dang time because my clan doesn't leave the city or log on much, I kinda wish I was a lion warden right about that time because then I could pal around with those guys and do stuff as a clan. I just don't feel like starting at 0 qps for trying to go somewhere else that I got voted in on and agreed upon that I know what I know and I earned what I earned.. so I should keep what I should be able to keep i.e my quest points. I'd be more worried about the voting process because people don't want a rank 5 or 6 with "good ideas" showing up randomly in their clan often times because it's a hard representation of change and lots of people don't handle that well.

now.. if a clan is dead and people leave it.. well that's not the people that leave that clan's fault. It was probably alive at some point. The problem with dead clans that I've found is people are active enough on forums to throw a fit about you making any major changes but, not active in game to support their way of thinking which is keep doing the exact same thing the dead clan has been doing up to this point when you presented change.

I don't think that's good.

[Terri]

Not totally unheard of either as Valon used to be a feeder clan for gaidin.

[Rodger]

If you are saying you should be able to switch clans without the RP and process to switch clans and keep QP then that is a terrible idea and would never work and would also be a huge time sink on immortals. There is precedent for clan switching and retaining some QP the idea that it should be easier then just clanning and gaining qp is probably wrong.

[Lord Pe]

is there a way to cap the # of clanned alts per player? i think this might help a bit. perhaps you can only have say... just sayin a # .. 5 clan chars per side.

buttt you canswitch between clans semi easily as was being discussed... idk been sick so not at my bestest