Seems like the easy fix is to just not have it set the gaidin to crit when they're in the same zone. If you're going to crit whether you stay and fight and she dies, or you leave and she dies, then it's not an incentive to stay.
The distance thing mentioned (ie. the original log, and the TV vs FD situation) seem mostly intended.
NOT A BUG: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
Moderator: Aureus
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
This is the price of your bonuses, you can always play another alt this won’t happen to.
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
Yeah just annoyed
Just had it happen again, she was beat, I was batt/beat
In same room buffing
Mob spikes her dead, no drain, one shots me next hit due to this
10 hours of exp and reeq gone
Is draining
Just had it happen again, she was beat, I was batt/beat
In same room buffing
Mob spikes her dead, no drain, one shots me next hit due to this
10 hours of exp and reeq gone
Is draining
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
Yeah, the issue, again, is not that she isn't sticking with you, it's that you're not sticking with her. Like, in this specific scenario, your Sedai left the Ways and exited somewhere else low crit in abs, while you were on Jafar trying to keep a trolloc from getting into the Ways. That is a decision. Good or bad sort of depends on how it goes. Whether or not that decision is based on a lack of comms or whatever is a separate thing.
Notwithstanding emote damage, it doesn't actually randomly set the Warder to crit when the Sedai dies. If they're in the same room/zone/3 zone radius, the critical is usually the function of the Aes Sedai fully draining the Warder.
The above changes slightly to the 1:1.25 drain ratio if in zone, but not in room.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > e
Thawing Chamber
[ obvious exits: W ]
Lady Everesta do Alinye a'Covin is here, fighting a forest brigand.
A forest brigand is here, fighting Everesta.
A forest brigand is here, fighting Everesta.
A forest brigand is here, fighting Everesta.
A forest brigand is here, fighting Everesta.
A forest brigand is here, fighting Everesta.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > score
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body very hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body very hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left foot very hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's right leg.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
You have 413(413) hit and 213(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > look everesta
Everesta has quite a few wounds.
Everesta is using:
<used as light> a mirrored lantern
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body very hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body hard.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's left foot.
A forest brigand tries to pound Everesta, but she parries successfully.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right arm hard.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's left leg.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's body.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
Everesta says 'wimp 0'
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm very hard.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's right arm.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm hard.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's head.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > nod
You nod in agreement.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Reil - Thawing Chamber
Everesta - Thawing Chamber
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's head very hard.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right arm.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left foot.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > score
You have 413(413) hit and 213(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's body.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's body.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he dodges the attack.
* HP:Hurt MV:Full >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right arm.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's left leg.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg hard.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he deflects the blow.
* HP:Hurt MV:Full > score
You have 322(413) hit and 213(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Hurt MV:Full >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's head.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right hand hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg hard.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > score
You have 282(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Reil - Thawing Chamber
Everesta - Thawing Chamber
* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's body.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand tickles Everesta's right arm with his pound.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's head hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > score
You have 249(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > TICK IN 5 SECONDS.
score
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's head very hard.
A forest brigand tries to pound Everesta, but she deflects the blow.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's right arm.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's right leg.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he deflects the blow.
You have 204(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 204(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 204(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 204(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right leg.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand tickles Everesta's left leg with his pound.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's head very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's head.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he deflects the blow.
score
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > You have 150(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 150(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 150(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh > score
You have 150(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Battered MV:Fresh >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body very hard.
A forest brigand tries to pound Everesta, but she parries successfully.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left hand very hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand tickles Everesta's body with his pound.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he deflects the blow.
score
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh > You have 106(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh > score
You have 106(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left arm hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left foot.
Everesta swiftly dodges a forest brigand's attempt to pound her.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand tickles Everesta's body with his pound.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left foot very hard.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh > say 106 hps
You say '106 hps'
score
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh > You have 64(413) hit and 219(219) movement points.
You have scored 105366572 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133428 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 50).
You are standing.
* HP:Beaten MV:Fresh >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's right arm.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body extremely hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's left leg.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg.
A forest brigand tries to pound Everesta, but she deflects the blow.
Everesta tries to hit a forest brigand, but he parries successfully.
* HP:Critical MV:Fresh > say 64
You say '64'
* HP:Critical MV:Fresh >
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's body hard.
You feel your health drain some as the bond between you and Everesta flares.
A forest brigand barely pounds Everesta's body.
A forest brigand pounds Everesta's left leg.
Everesta is dead! R.I.P.
All of a sudden, your heart seems to have been ripped out of you...
Ouch! You lose a level.
Your blood freezes as you hear Everesta's death cry.
score
stand
w
... you collapse in devastating grief.
* HP:Critical MV:Full > You have 2(398) hit and 109(119) movement points.
You have scored 100366573 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133427 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 49).
You are resting.
* HP:Critical MV:Full > You stop resting, and stand up.
* HP:Critical MV:Full > Bend in the Tunnel
[ obvious exits: N E ]
* HP:Critical MV:Full > score
You have 2(398) hit and 108(119) movement points.
You have scored 100366573 experience points and 1089 quest points.
You need 3133427 exp to level and 1911 qp to rank.
You have amassed 139 Turn points to date.
You have played 84 days and 10 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Reil the Gaidin Master [Gaidin 7] (Level 49).
You are standing.
So the weirdly backwards thing about Draz's complaint is that it's usually optimal to stick together unless the Warder is the low one. It's the same reason why the preferable strategy for taking out a AS/Warder pair that are sticking together is to focus on the Warder, so you're not trying to drain two pools for one kill vs. killiing one pool and watching the Sedai go low for free.
There's plenty of incentive for a Sedai/Warder to stick together or in the same zone.
edit - speaking of bugs, I'm pretty sure my moves should not be 119 max unbonded.
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
These all seem to be working as intended except for emote damage bypassing drain (but that is a longstanding separate bug). Your job is to keep your Aes Sedai alive and so if she dies then you're generally not far behind. That is the price of the bonuses, which are some of the strongest (if not the strongest) in the game.
Fair point about the Warder being low, Reil. Maybe we would reduce the Aes Sedai's maluses on Warder death even further -- though we just removed the SP drain aspect so we'll see.
Fair point about the Warder being low, Reil. Maybe we would reduce the Aes Sedai's maluses on Warder death even further -- though we just removed the SP drain aspect so we'll see.
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
I don't necessarily view it as a bad thing - if I'm a Warder I *want* them going for me instead of my Sedai - that's ideal, as long as we're communicating and in the same zone. The inherent trade-off there is that she's getting free-fire while I'm doing my job of taking the damage. My comment was more that Draz's complaints were just kind of weirdly backwards - nobody who knows what they're doing is gunning for the Sedai first if AS/W are in the same zone.
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
I don't think that is always true, I will generally go for whichever I think is going to lose HP faster, and frequently aim for the Aes Sedai just to prevent the weave damage.reil wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:28 pmI don't necessarily view it as a bad thing - if I'm a Warder I *want* them going for me instead of my Sedai - that's ideal, as long as we're communicating and in the same zone. The inherent trade-off there is that she's getting free-fire while I'm doing my job of taking the damage. My comment was more that Draz's complaints were just kind of weirdly backwards - nobody who knows what they're doing is gunning for the Sedai first if AS/W are in the same zone.
Re: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
FWIW on this one, you would know if she were in danger if you were closer to her (emote damage aside): you would get the drain msgs and know she is low / in trouble and in need of your help.
Re: NOT A BUG: I thinkn this goes beyond intended
Everything is obviously situational, but it generally doesn't really matter all that much if the Sedai is losing HPs faster unless it's a specific situation where the Warder is also getting worked on. And generally speaking, the mechanism of auto-rescue caters to targeting the Warder.