Backstab Damage Information

[Angkar]

Hello,

This is mostly data that is instantly available on the equipment spreadsheet. Also some quick work I did on anydice.com to grab the "at least" data for each roll for 280 (max channeler HP) and 200 (half of what feels like the current non-channeler average).

I shan't make any recommendations, just providing the data to make an informed decision easier. Only given ob/pb/weight of 1hs as I dislike sai, and I believe anyone would use dirks if they had them, pracs too good.

All damages are assuming a honed weapon (this is the 2d60) and 99 backstab practiced. I will also add additional data on postured stab shortly. This is an additional 2d75.

a sharp, red stone dagger/a silver-winged basilard/a pair of moonstone hilted dirks
Base Roll: 7d3
Backstab Roll: 7d45 + 2d60
Backstab Mean: 222
Backstab Max: 435
Chance to backstab for 200: 70%
Chance to backstab for 280: 8.81%
Chance to backstab for 300: 3.28%
Chance to backstab for 400: <0.00%

Chance to backstab for 200 with postures: 97.10%
Chance to backstab for 280 with postures: 63.65%
Chance to backstab for 300 with postures: 48.87%
Chance to backstab for 400 with postures: 2.52%

a silver-winged basilard - OB: 79 PB: 5 Weight: 1.5
a sharp, red stone dagger - OB: 73 PB: 3 Weight: 1.5

a curved, clear dagger
Base Roll: 3d7
Backstab Roll: 3d105 + 2d60
Backstab Mean: 220
Backstab Max: 435
Chance to backstab for 200: 63.34%
Chance to backstab for 280: 15.84%
Chance to backstab for 300: 8.83%
Chance to backstab for 400: 0.02%

Chance to backstab for 200 with postures: 92.8%
Chance to backstab for 280 with postures: 59.69%
Chance to backstab for 300 with postures: 47.93%
Chance to backstab for 400 with postures: 5.8%

a curved, clear dagger - OB: 81 PB: 12 Weight: 0.8

a blackened steel kris
Base Roll: 4d5
Backstab Roll: 4d75 + 2d60
Backstab Mean: 213
Backstab Max: 420
Chance to backstab for 200: 60.43%
Chance to backstab for 280: 9.31%
Chance to backstab for 300: 4.10%
Chance to backstab for 400: <0.00%

Chance to backstab for 200 with postures: 93.64%
Chance to backstab for 280 with postures: 56.34%
Chance to backstab for 300 with postures: 43%
Chance to backstab for 400 with postures: 2.88%

a blackened steel kris - OB: 81 PB: 8 Weight: 1.0

a dagger of green jade/a set of steel sai
Base Roll: 6d3
Backstab Roll: 6d45 + 2d60
Backstab Mean: 199
Backstab Max: 390
Chance to backstab for 200: 49.51%
Chance to backstab for 280: 2.16%
Chance to backstab for 300: 0.51%
Chance to backstab for 400: n/a

Chance to backstab for 200 with postures: 93.16%
Chance to backstab for 280 with postures: 46.52%
Chance to backstab for 300 with postures: 31.68%
Chance to backstab for 400 with postures: 0.59%

a dagger of green jade - OB: 87 PB: 8 Weight: 1.5

https://writtenrealms.com/wot/playground/stab for landing statistics

[Mhaliah]

I assume the "chance to backstab for XXX" assumes a successful land and excludes bricks.

Does anyone have any testing on success rates for stabs? I assume that is more complex calculation. Has that been tested before?

[Angkar]

http://www.wotmudarchives.org/forum/vie ... f=4&t=2442

That's Hress' testing on land rates.

My post only talks about damage. I don't have the patience to test land rates in a variety of conditions.

[Raeza]

Chance to backstab for 280: 8.81%
...
Chance to backstab for 280 with postures: 75.46%

Master effect is huge for channie stabbers!
I mean, I knew it was, but seeing the numbers really drives the point home.

[Mhaliah]

Man that really highlights the effect of master damage on blick rate. With the more defensive blades (jade/steel sai) a master is 27.5 times more likely to blick a max HP FC. But even with the cc dagger's high base damage a master is still 4.4x more likely to blick.

[Fermin]

I think master damage is 2d75

[Fermin]

Also I have no proof of this!

[Malak]

Master melee damage is 2d5, for stab add 2d45, charge 3d46 and 2d5 for throw(added after cap).

From my spreadsheet

[Angkar]

I think master damage is 2d75

Having reviewed the rest of the data, this may be correct. Damage is xd (where x is amount, d is die) y*15(where y is damage roll). Same applies to hone going off of Hress's data (2d4 becomes 2d60). So it would follow that 2d5 becomes 2d75, and not 4d45.

[hyzael]

raolin taught me a long long time ago, not to stab healthy people. You kill more people that way with the backstab he was right!