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How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:39 pm
by Thuvia
With the newly announced changes to a number of weapons, I'm going to be focusing on retesting to keep the EQ Trainer and Wiki up to date.
I already have a couple of volunteers who are helping out, and for anyone else who would like to contribute, I'd like to offer a primer on how to test and submit data to me if you wish.
To start with, I need the following information:
1. Race, Lvl, Str, Dex, Con
2. Prac% for weapon and shield parry if using one - for both, the higher the prac% the better
3. Specify posture if a Master, ride level if riding, H/H status of weapon, total weight
5. The weapon's weight, whether it is 1-handed, 2-handed, or 1/2-handed (some may have changed).
6. If you're feeling generous, you can include things like rent cost, item value (how much it sells for in rent), keywords, and ground description, though these are secondary concerns for now.
For less ambiguity, have all items either worn or in worn packs, then take stats in all 4 moods with no weapon wielded.
Then wield it and take stats in all 4 moods again.
I've got a spreadsheet set up that I use to derive the weapon stats from that, so just send me the raw stat command output for those 8 things for each weapon.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and thank you in advance for any help offered.
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:40 pm
by Thuvia
List of weapons that have been re-tested so far:
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Tester Item Changes
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*Short blades*
Elyse a pair of three-pronged daggers New item
*Projectiles*
Taziar a throwing spike Stats unchanged, condition upped by unknown amount
Taziar a sharpened metal disk OB: 60-70
-all other projectiles tested, stats unchanged
*Long blades*
Elyse a scimitar with a hilt of twisted iron OB: 78-72
Name changed from
'a half-moon scimitar with a hilt of twisted iron'
Elyse a jagged edged warsword No change
Kerryk an ivory and gold-hilted longsword No change
Elyse a brass-hilted general's sword OB: 76-80, PB: 25-20
Kerryk an oddly curved longsword OB: 77-78, PB: 28-23
Elyse a pale steel longsword No change
Thuvia a colossal sword with an iron pommel Name change from
'a colossal sword with an ornate iron pommel'
*Medium blades*
Elyse a blue steel scimitar with silver-wrapped hilt OB: 73-72, PB: 28-34, Weight: 11.0-10.0 lbs
Thuvia a bone-handled blade OB: 76-74, PB: 31-33, Weight: 8.0-4.0 lbs
Elyse a plain, slightly curved blade OB: 71-68, PB: 35-37
Thuvia a razored falcata OB: 77-74, PB: 29-32
Thuvia a ring quilloned sword No change
Elyse a shining silver plated sword OB: 78-76, PB: 27-29
Elyse an amber hilted iron sword OB: 74-72, PB: 33-35, Weight: 4.0-6.0 lbs
*Fencing blades*
Elyse an opal adorned steel tulwar PB: 26-28
Elyse an emerald-hilted foil PB: 18-20, Weight: 4.0-2.0 lbs
Elyse a ruby-worked rapier PB: 20-23, Weight: 3.0-2.5 lbs
Elyse a pearl-handled epee PB: 21-22, Weight: 4.0-2.0 lbs
*Axes*
Thuvia an enormous double-bladed battleaxe Weight: 17.8-18.0 lbs
Thuvia a saw-toothed axe OB: 78-76, PB: 4-22, Weight: 16.0-12.0 lbs
Changed from 2-handed to 1/2-handed
Name changed from 'a savage saw-toothed axe'
Thuvia a double axe with a long black haft Name changed from
'a blood-splattered double axe with a long black haft'
*Clubs*
Thuvia a spiked double handed warhammer OB: 65-68
Thuvia a silver-banded war mallet OB: 70-72
*Staves*
Amarie a leatherleaf staff OB: 60-65, PB: 90-93, Weight: 10.0-15.0 lbs
Thuvia an ironshod staff of oak PB: 74-80
*Spears*
Thuvia a sleek, mahogany-shafted spear OB: 71-75
*Javelins*
Elyse a long pine javelin OB: 60-70, Weight: 4.0-5.0 lbs
Elyse a light metal javelin OB: 42-65, PB: 32-25
*Polearms*
Eol a barbed steel trident OB: 80-78, PB: 79-80, Weight: 14.0-13.5 lbs
Thuvia a blue steel trident OB: 74-75, PB: 72-84
Thuvia a heavy gilded glaive PB: 65-68
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:31 pm
by Elyse
Giving this a bump since it's a really good project and easy if lots of people lend a hand. Thuvia's trainers and databases are remarkably helpful, but they aren't nearly as useful when the underlying weapon data is obsolete! So please, if you are using a weapon that may have been changed, and isn't listed as already tested, do the quick test detailed above and send Thuvia the information!
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:53 pm
by Thore
I should contribute to this… but may I suggest a "patchnote" type update to stats where we see the delta between stats since the last known info? Would be very helpful, I think.
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:08 am
by Thuvia
Thore,
I'm doing this on the wiki currently. Did you also mean something like that for the eq trainer?
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:25 am
by Thore
Hmm, I looked for this yesterday and didn't find anything. Which pages is that on or could you put up a link? Thanks Thuvia.
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:32 am
by Thuvia
I've been doing it at the bottom of each individual weapon's page, so for instance look at the 'a saw-toothed axe' page there for an example.
If instead you mean something like a summary page somewhere on the wiki showing the changes like I do in the second post on this page, I suppose that would be possible too. Let me know if that's what you have in mind and I'll see what I can do.
Re: How to test weapons (and list of re-tested weapons)
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:06 pm
by Thuvia
With a few exceptions (see the EQ Trainer post), most weapons that were changed have now been tested and both the Wiki and EQ Trainer updated.