Nasty November: Fisticuffs

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Meren
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by Meren » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Ominas wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:54 pm
Look man, here's all I'm saying. You're a big bad fade right? So when these new players, or even some of the older dumb ones, see this. They might follow suit and that's all that's going to click in their minds. "That's a dt."
Those same new players now know, don't run to Whitebridge Fade if you're solo. Most people who advise otherwise are the ones that will turn up on a low-risk character to cash in those 7qps.

Yes, there are uses for Whitebridge Fade. But most of the time...it's entirely hideable, blockable, predictable, and a poor choice.

Rhys
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by Rhys » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Ominas wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:05 pm
Yeah wb fade is definitely not a deathtrap. Neither is camp. If you’re an abs and solo ds player with no backup incoming it can definitely be a problem though. If another was there Adella was potentially dead before ls even got there.

It’s that mentality that’s made pk what it is now.

Disappointing to see a fade saying it too.

Scrat just killed 2 or 3 solo there the other week I believe.

Nice log Adella. Fancy as hell
+1

Camp and WB fade are both areas where the tables can quickly turn and where people often die -- on both sides. In my opinion, they can actually be great PK areas on both sides for this reason

byrg
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by byrg » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Seems i missed a bunch of posts here today! Honestly this was hilarious. Once i saw I got punched to death I laughed all the more. I'll try and post my side of it when i can, don't have it in front of me atm. Pretty much just zoomed from three, saw it only looked like 1 was chasing, tried for fade because I was lowish moves... then ate too much damage fleeing around and couldn't land a bash by the time I decided to try.
Meren wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:06 am
WB Fade is a deathtrap, same as camp. No one learns.
Honestly I'd generally agree, but in this case I really just kinda got outplayed.
Ominas wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:05 pm
Yeah wb fade is definitely not a deathtrap. Neither is camp. If you’re an abs and solo ds player with no backup incoming it can definitely be a problem though. If another was there Adella was potentially dead before ls even got there.

It’s that mentality that’s made pk what it is now.

Disappointing to see a fade saying it too.

Scrat just killed 2 or 3 solo there the other week I believe.

Nice log Adella. Fancy as hell
To claim that it is unequivocally *not* a dt is just kinda one sided and meh. There have been countless times were a small number of ds have gone there to try to make a stand only to have a full group or more with channies and rogues show up and destroy them - and I'd argue people getting outnumbered and stuck happens there more often than not, due to the proximity to Caemlyn. That being said, in this particular case it really didn't have anything to do with it.
Eol wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:50 pm
Two moments I thought/wondered about - when Byrg fled and Adella closed the door - did she essentially cause his failed flee by closing the direction he was going to go. That one hurt.

2nd moment - was Byrg at the innkeeper because he was trying "sleep well and wake" his way out of WB fade? This may just be a "human misunderstanding" but awhile back there were complaints from humans who claimed trolls they were actively fighting used that code to escape PK. Perhaps they misunderstood - perhaps the trolls had escaped PK long enough to not have no-quit, but the people who mentioned it didn't think it could have been the case.
1: yes, ow.
2: It amuses me that this still comes up. The only instance I recall this being claimed kinda pissed me off, tbh. I ran like caem->lug->ef->amador->ef->baerlon->wb with some pissed off warder on my ass trying to get his rare back... he entered my room like 10x in the last half of this chase without ever managing to engage, so by the time i got to wbfade my noquit was gone and i straight up rented, and said player instantly started claiming I'd sleep well and waked out.

In this instance, it was just me needing somewhere i knew i could catch a half second's peace and have a consistent flee out of. Not sure if it was a latency thing, fleelag thing, or just Adella having better reflexes than I, but i couldn't move a firetrucking room without being re-egnaged before i could do anything, so I went somewhere i knew only had one exit to dline back to patty from.
Terinor wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:06 pm
Only one person chased and had he rolled bashes he prob sits her with his 18 lbs r8 weapon. Assuming it’s his axe he also outputs firetruck tons of damage. She’d go batt or worse in one probably. Now you’re looking a situation where one zerk bash she is gone.
This is kinda what I was hoping for... obviously didnt work out.
Ragyn wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:17 pm
What Terinor said, seemed like byrg just got outplayed by Adella.
Pretty much this.

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Edit: here's the ending from my perspective - all I have access to atm.

* HP:Beaten MV:Haggard - Adella: Hurt > kh
[change mood berserk]
Mood changed to: Berserk

bash
* HP:Beaten MV:Haggard - Adella: Hurt > You try to blast Adella, but she parries successfully.
A Ghar'ghael trolloc joins your fight!
A Dha'vol trolloc tries to cleave Adella, but she parries successfully.
A Ko'bal trolloc joins a Dha'vol trolloc's fight!
A Dhai'mon trolloc joins a Dha'vol trolloc's fight!
A ramshorned trolloc says 'You Adella!!! You will die before your time!! '
A ramshorned trolloc says 'You Adella!!! You will die before your time!! '
[k human]
You do the best you can!

- d - Adella: Hurt >
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

Your body is pierced by razor sharp ice spikes sent by Adella!

A Dhai'mon trolloc tries to slash Adella, but she dodges the attack.
A Ko'bal trolloc tries to pierce Adella, but she parries successfully.
A Dha'vol trolloc tries to cleave Adella, but she parries successfully.
A Ghar'ghael trolloc cleaves Adella's head very hard.
someone tickles your body with her hit.
You are incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.

=
You're in no position to do anything aggressive.

HP:Critical MV:Haggard >
You are dead! Sorry...

Yaerin
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by Yaerin » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:47 am

Got some long camp PK today for the first time in a while, so I was happy about that.

Razhak
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by Razhak » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:56 am

I love WB fade..

Wish more people would chase me into there :(

Zeeb
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Re: Nasty November: Fisticuffs

Post by Zeeb » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:55 am

Key is to have backup some % of the time and then people won't be TOO anxious to chase you in there, takes 4 humans minimum to make it a DT for a trolloc and I'd guess more for fade/dreadlord.

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