Not Rank 8 Zone sense
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:21 pm
Made a separate thread for all the tangents to the zone sense issues. Please post all related topics and trash talking on this thread so the other one can stay focused.
First off, I average over 20 smobs a day when im actually playing so I think i know a bit about smobs and what they load.Rig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:11 pmI just did this last week. But go off.arston wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:10 pmagain off topic, you could have a whole thread on how many things are wrong in that statementRig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:20 pmI don't know what game you guys are playing, but smob loads getting changed months ago do not = 10 smobs for 1 side. Try more like 1 sid every 2 smobs. lol. Especially for KMG and with the plethora of basics loads being upped + gold combo basics being upped. Trinks galore.
My guy, that’s 30 obsidian pendants a month. That is a ton of trinkets. I don’t really care about the intricacies related to maximum gains per day.arston wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:29 pmFirst off, I average over 20 smobs a day when im actually playing so I think i know a bit about smobs and what they load.
Second off, I'm not basing it only on feelings. If you want to know what smobs have been loading what just go to this website: https://wotcode.azurewebsites.net/mobs , and search for the item. For example typing in "obsidian" will pop up every smob that has been killed by about a dozen or so people that have been contributing to it that loaded a sid, and you can see that the only ones that load it more than 10% are ones that have a small sample size (under 20 so if there was 2 lucky drops then it would throw the numbers off) or cityheads.
Third off, KMG cant turn basics into a "ton of trinkets" if you are doing more than 1 per day you are cheating, and this route is really only available for people who are not taking quest points for their turn in's, so its only an option for people who dont actually want to be a KMG and are just using it to cycle through equipment for alts.
Fourth, gold equipment loads do virtually nothing for trinkets, its used to make jcuffs that nobody buys
Correct. It's very easy for a very-top tier player to gather lots of items (theres probably 3-5 players that can et 30 sids a month farming it 10 hours a day) at which point theres no "reward" for gear at all and its why you see giant piles of gear in barrels or left in corpses. A group of 5 can typically do about 6-12 smobs per hour with gate, depending on how good of a leader and how well everyone is actually listening and not afk. Split between 5 people thats about 5 hours of hard smobbing with a good leader for everyone to get a single sid.Rig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:41 amMy guy, that’s 30 obsidian pendants a month. That is a ton of trinkets. I don’t really care about the intricacies related to maximum gains per day.arston wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:29 pmFirst off, I average over 20 smobs a day when im actually playing so I think i know a bit about smobs and what they load.
Second off, I'm not basing it only on feelings. If you want to know what smobs have been loading what just go to this website: https://wotcode.azurewebsites.net/mobs , and search for the item. For example typing in "obsidian" will pop up every smob that has been killed by about a dozen or so people that have been contributing to it that loaded a sid, and you can see that the only ones that load it more than 10% are ones that have a small sample size (under 20 so if there was 2 lucky drops then it would throw the numbers off) or cityheads.
Third off, KMG cant turn basics into a "ton of trinkets" if you are doing more than 1 per day you are cheating, and this route is really only available for people who are not taking quest points for their turn in's, so its only an option for people who dont actually want to be a KMG and are just using it to cycle through equipment for alts.
Fourth, gold equipment loads do virtually nothing for trinkets, its used to make jcuffs that nobody buys
I'm not sure I'm following what you want. It sounds like you want a NWIH "safe zone" for "newer players" to "get basics". If someone is going to quit over being killed a handful of times in a row, sometimes before they can re-gear... then they're going to quit eventually no matter what you do, and imo you're just delaying the inevitable, because that's just flat out a reality of wotmud sometimes (I can't count how many times I've raged and taken a break over said exact thing - by no means saying its fun... but its definitely a part of the way the mud works).arston wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:43 pmCorrect. It's very easy for a very-top tier player to gather lots of items (theres probably 3-5 players that can et 30 sids a month farming it 10 hours a day) at which point theres no "reward" for gear at all and its why you see giant piles of gear in barrels or left in corpses. A group of 5 can typically do about 6-12 smobs per hour with gate, depending on how good of a leader and how well everyone is actually listening and not afk. Split between 5 people thats about 5 hours of hard smobbing with a good leader for everyone to get a single sid.Rig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:41 amMy guy, that’s 30 obsidian pendants a month. That is a ton of trinkets. I don’t really care about the intricacies related to maximum gains per day.arston wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:29 pm
First off, I average over 20 smobs a day when im actually playing so I think i know a bit about smobs and what they load.
Second off, I'm not basing it only on feelings. If you want to know what smobs have been loading what just go to this website: https://wotcode.azurewebsites.net/mobs , and search for the item. For example typing in "obsidian" will pop up every smob that has been killed by about a dozen or so people that have been contributing to it that loaded a sid, and you can see that the only ones that load it more than 10% are ones that have a small sample size (under 20 so if there was 2 lucky drops then it would throw the numbers off) or cityheads.
Third off, KMG cant turn basics into a "ton of trinkets" if you are doing more than 1 per day you are cheating, and this route is really only available for people who are not taking quest points for their turn in's, so its only an option for people who dont actually want to be a KMG and are just using it to cycle through equipment for alts.
Fourth, gold equipment loads do virtually nothing for trinkets, its used to make jcuffs that nobody buys
The only people it really helps are NON-top tier players that need gear after dying in pk. They are the ones that need a way to get equipped so they can keep on playing the game. Gate and zone sense both help get groups together to facilitate that. Groups of DS that see tracks and kill all the newer players while they are trying to prep for another fight is what makes people quit (obviously not referring to referring to the groups of all bonded pairs/ masters smobbing for fun, YES they exist too, and YES they should have more risky options available for quest points and for fun, but there should exist different safer smobs with basics, that way new players can re-gear without you ganking them again before they have armor to fight in).
NOT AT ALL. Im saying that the current system including gate and zone sense creates a safeish enough environment to gather basics (not really rares or anything particularly good for the amount of effort aside from holiday stuff) that people are actually willing to group up and lead people around. Its still not SAFE, 90% of my deaths happen in a group setting even though I spend less than 1/4 of my playtime in a group, but if you made it to where you couldnt gate or have zone sense then every person that is weighing the benefit of helping someone out vs the risk of getting hit from people finding tracks is gonna pass that up.byrg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:56 pmI'm not sure I'm following what you want. It sounds like you want a NWIH "safe zone" for "newer players" to "get basics". If someone is going to quit over being killed a handful of times in a row, sometimes before they can re-gear... then they're going to quit eventually no matter what you do, and imo you're just delaying the inevitable, because that's just flat out a reality of wotmud sometimes (I can't count how many times I've raged and taken a break over said exact thing - by no means saying its fun... but its definitely a part of the way the mud works).arston wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:43 pmCorrect. It's very easy for a very-top tier player to gather lots of items (theres probably 3-5 players that can et 30 sids a month farming it 10 hours a day) at which point theres no "reward" for gear at all and its why you see giant piles of gear in barrels or left in corpses. A group of 5 can typically do about 6-12 smobs per hour with gate, depending on how good of a leader and how well everyone is actually listening and not afk. Split between 5 people thats about 5 hours of hard smobbing with a good leader for everyone to get a single sid.
The only people it really helps are NON-top tier players that need gear after dying in pk. They are the ones that need a way to get equipped so they can keep on playing the game. Gate and zone sense both help get groups together to facilitate that. Groups of DS that see tracks and kill all the newer players while they are trying to prep for another fight is what makes people quit (obviously not referring to referring to the groups of all bonded pairs/ masters smobbing for fun, YES they exist too, and YES they should have more risky options available for quest points and for fun, but there should exist different safer smobs with basics, that way new players can re-gear without you ganking them again before they have armor to fight in).
Is doing a lot of heavy lifting here imo. So if gate didn't exist but things loaded like they do "from holiday stuff", it'd be worth the risk of walking around and playing the game rather than teleporting from one location to the next? Just trying to figure out if your issue is that it's not safe enough without gate because of the "standard" rewards or if it's just not safe enough in general. Because there are two ways to address that.aside from holiday stuff