Seriously - why does this dung happen

[Stanislav]

Let us remove everything from the game and leave only warders and wbs on ls and abs trolls on ds.

[Scrat]

No matter what, insta channeling mobs are not good for pk. Highly suggest doing whatever we can to minimize the damage. For example, maybe making DGs/DLs only flame strike or something. Would still be pretty powerful but not the insta deaths that they currently cause.

Good step. I’d just remove them all entirely. Or keep them in game and make them unable to weave like Tower Sedai. Ignoring Moridin etc of course. (So grateful TV was severely downed even if it is nearly impossible to kill someone there now)

Buff the areas with a few more mobs if you want.

Mobol weaves aren’t actual weaves just emotes, Thore, which is why you can catch 4 in one go and insta. So no weather doesn’t matter.

DG weaves are actual weaves, not emotes, just without a timer. Mobs in general don't have proper timers, which is why insta-charge patrols were a thing back in the day. Weather definitely does matter. Dreadguards, however, almost exclusively load up in hot zones and largely weave fireball.

Look at Kural though. Massive difference between hitting him when it is hot and his spikes melt vs cold.

I had a situation semi recently where Taim showed up out of nowhere into the nochannel Camp room basically on top of me, and barring some sort of weird bug it gave the appearance of being immortal intervention (he was healthy, he doesn't appear there normally, etc.). I was pissed.

[Jestin]

Yeah weather does affect mob channeling.

Making them flame strike or hammer of air would make them still scary but not ridiculous, a good compromise imo.

Ilsae for example is still scary but doesn't wizkill. Think she only hammer of airs iirc.

[isabel]

lol forgot to add, the assassin/grey man mobs that don't get seen by notice/h.man etc (doesn't happen here but they is just asking for a mob rip)


* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Merchants Row <--- Had no idea anything was around, just waiting to go hit scout
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently, being ridden by you.
A run-down looking man wanders aimlessly, collecting lost belongings.
A tough Shienaran soldier waits here.
A wild stallion bucks madly.
A black hawk has arrived from the west.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > You stop riding him.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > east
You start leading him.
A warhorse starts following you.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > You're already leading it!

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > The Stooping Hawk
[ obvious exits: N E ]
A board hangs on a wall peppered with tales of glory, adventure and history.
A good humored broker stands here, conducting his trades.
An anxious young man hovers near his master here.
A shapely young woman skillfully weaves amongst the chaos, taking orders.
A sullen man is hunched over a tankard, sipping his ale.
A bartender serves customers with a greedy smile.
A warhorse has arrived from the north.
A black hawk has arrived from the north.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > The Kitchen of the Stooping Hawk
[ obvious exits: W ]
An oven stands here, radiating a dry heat.
A warhorse has arrived from the west.
A black hawk has arrived from the west.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > notice
look
where
You start paying increased attention to your surroundings.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > The Kitchen of the Stooping Hawk
The hustle and bustle of the tavern find their true level here. Crowded
into this tiny room off of the common area are several large, oaken
casks of ale and wines, as well as numerous pots and pans hanging from
the ceiling. Sausages and chickens hang from ropes, within easy reach
of the fires, while stacks of wooden plates alternate between clean and
dirty or somewhere in-between.
[ obvious exits: W ]
An oven stands here, radiating a dry heat.
A black hawk with white markings scans for prey.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > md
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Isabel - The Kitchen of the Stooping Hawk

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > Ok.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
Liia chats 'rerolls changed
too. you won't improve.
although, you have pretty
sweet stats, so that
shouldn't be a problem!'

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
Isabel prepares a dish.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
Nunzio chats 'we have lots of
maps too'

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
Suddenly someone places something in your back!
You are dead! Sorry...
Ouch! You lose a level.
A black hawk hates your guts!
Circle of Light
[ obvious exits: N D ]
A wooden practice shield has been dropped here. [4]
The waters of a blue-veined marble fountain pour forth here.
A stout wooden barrel stands nearby.
A kind-faced figure stands here.

...

notice
* HP:Critical MV:Weary > look
The Stooping Hawk
[ obvious exits: N E ]
A board hangs on a wall peppered with tales of glory, adventure and history.
A good humored broker stands here, conducting his trades.
An anxious young man hovers near his master here.
A shapely young woman skillfully weaves amongst the chaos, taking orders.
A sullen man is hunched over a tankard, sipping his ale.
A bartender serves customers with a greedy smile.

* HP:Critical MV:Weary > You start paying increased attention to your
surroundings.

* HP:Critical MV:Weary > The Stooping Hawk
This tavern is full of noisy men and women, drinking strong ale and wine.
Despite the rowdiness of the men, they always tone it down whenever a woman
glances their way. You also notice that the men aren't as crass with the
barmaids as in other towns. Once in a while someone shouts some abuse at
the world in general, and scribbles something on the board without thinking
it through. A six-sided dice lies on one of the tables.
[ obvious exits: N E ]
A board hangs on a wall peppered with tales of glory, adventure and history.
You notice a soft leather pouch is hidden here.
A good humored broker stands here, conducting his trades.
An anxious young man hovers near his master here.
A shapely young woman skillfully weaves amongst the chaos, taking orders.
A sullen man is hunched over a tankard, sipping his ale.
A bartender serves customers with a greedy smile.

* HP:Critical MV:Weary > x
east
No-one by that name here.

g
* HP:Critical MV:Weary > The Kitchen of the Stooping Hawk
[ obvious exits: W ]
The corpse of Isabel is lying here.
An oven stands here, radiating a dry heat.
A black hawk with white markings scans for prey.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently.

* HP:Critical MV:Weary > west
You get a plate of roast beef and jacket potatoes from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a pair of thick metal boots from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a soft leather pouch from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a silver-worked weapons belt from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a two-handed binnol from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a pair of heavy metal gauntlets from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a backpack from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a dark, hooded cloak from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a shining steel breastplate from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a blood-red tattoo of a flying eagle from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a full metal helmet and visor from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a jade signet ring from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a jade signet ring from the corpse of Isabel.
You get an oilstone from the corpse of Isabel.
You get a torch from the corpse of Isabel.

* HP:Critical MV:Weary > The Stooping Hawk
[ obvious exits: N E ]
A board hangs on a wall peppered with tales of glory, adventure and history.
You notice a soft leather pouch is hidden here.
You notice a soft leather pouch is hidden here.
A good humored broker stands here, conducting his trades.
An anxious young man hovers near his master here.
A shapely young woman skillfully weaves amongst the chaos, taking orders.
A sullen man is hunched over a tankard, sipping his ale.
A bartender serves customers with a greedy smile.

* HP:Critical MV:Haggard > wear all
You slide a jade signet ring on to your right ring finger.
You slide a jade signet ring on to your left ring finger.
You wear a full metal helmet and visor on your head.
You wear a blood-red tattoo of a flying eagle around your neck.
You wear a shining steel breastplate on your body.
You wear a dark, hooded cloak around your body.
You wear a backpack on your back.
You wear a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces on your arms.
You put a pair of heavy metal gauntlets on your hands.
You wield a two-handed binnol with both hands.
You wear a silver-worked weapons belt around your waist.
You put a soft leather pouch on your belt.
You put a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves on your legs.
You wear a pair of thick metal boots on your feet.

north
* HP:Critical MV:Haggard > Merchants Row
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A wild stallion bucks madly.

* HP:Critical MV:Haggard >
A grey man has arrived from the south.
A grey man panics, and attempts to flee!
A grey man leaves east.

* HP:Critical MV:Haggard > 1
east
You start riding him.

[Thore]

No matter what, insta channeling mobs are not good for pk. Highly suggest doing whatever we can to minimize the damage. For example, maybe making DGs/DLs only flame strike or something. Would still be pretty powerful but not the insta deaths that they currently cause.

Good step. I’d just remove them all entirely. Or keep them in game and make them unable to weave like Tower Sedai. Ignoring Moridin etc of course. (So grateful TV was severely downed even if it is nearly impossible to kill someone there now)

Buff the areas with a few more mobs if you want.

Mobol weaves aren’t actual weaves just emotes, Thore, which is why you can catch 4 in one go and insta. So no weather doesn’t matter.

DG weaves are actual weaves, not emotes, just without a timer. Mobs in general don't have proper timers, which is why insta-charge patrols were a thing back in the day. Weather definitely does matter. Dreadguards, however, almost exclusively load up in hot zones and largely weave fireball.

Look at Kural though. Massive difference between hitting him when it is hot and his spikes melt vs cold.

I had a situation semi recently where Taim showed up out of nowhere into the nochannel Camp room basically on top of me, and barring some sort of weird bug it gave the appearance of being immortal intervention (he was healthy, he doesn't appear there normally, etc.). I was pissed.

Yeah, I thought they were affected by weather. Maybe not all of them, but at least some of them. I wonder if we could use that to our advantage. It would balance things a little bit.

[Sarryn]

Imm intervention in pk has always been dung. Generally leads to someone dying a horrible death. It’s not fun or funny. It’s just dumb, I’m sure the imm might think it’s cool. I wouldn’t feel to happy about getting someone through a crap scenario generated by stupidity. Channeling mobs have there place. There incredibly stupid. And we’ve all died to them rapidly before. Be nice if they can get downed to not insta weave multiple weaves.

The only justification for channeling mobs is there last stand spots. There meant to help in overwhelming odds situations. Where there’s not much hope otherwise. Generally that’s fairly often in pk. Given lopsided sides/groups/bonuses. So they are what they are. If there removed that’s cool. Less dung deaths. But probably less willingness to try to fight in some settings. Most people knowingly hit them. It’s the roaming ones that are annoying af.

[Ominas]

Let us remove everything from the game and leave only warders and wbs on ls and abs trolls on ds.

Ahh I see you’re just as slow as you always were. Thanks for adding nothing Stan.

Good call out Weir/Jestin. I wasn’t aware that some were effected by the weather. Thank you for educating me.

[Thore]

Imm intervention in pk has always been dung. Generally leads to someone dying a horrible death. It’s not fun or funny. It’s just dumb, I’m sure the imm might think it’s cool. I wouldn’t feel to happy about getting someone through a crap scenario generated by stupidity. Channeling mobs have there place. There incredibly stupid. And we’ve all died to them rapidly before. Be nice if they can get downed to not insta weave multiple weaves.

The only justification for channeling mobs is there last stand spots. There meant to help in overwhelming odds situations. Where there’s not much hope otherwise. Generally that’s fairly often in pk. Given lopsided sides/groups/bonuses. So they are what they are. If there removed that’s cool. Less dung deaths. But probably less willingness to try to fight in some settings. Most people knowingly hit them. It’s the roaming ones that are annoying af.

I love imm intervention of all kinds! You're not used to dying? Stop discouraging imms from intervening! It's their way to "play a mortal" and create a memorable event for a player or players.

[Sarryn]

My idea of fun is not losing xp/gear to a imm with a god complex. Whose controlling unpredictable things that kill people rapidly. All for mob raids and imm interaction. Not in pk though. Specially not random involvements.

[Elysia]

We do have some guidelines for mob use, but sometimes things are underestimated, the situation changes too quickly, or the imm is busy doing something in another room so they can't see what's going on. Or the imm is plain rusty. Or they're plain evil, like Vampa. Just kidding.

In this case, I asked the other imms and no one indicated that they moved him. The imms I didn't hear back from weren't on at the time.

Channeling mobs seem to march to their own tune. I remember Selaana being flagged to stay put and not chase. Turns out her channeling coding did make her chase. Only a nomob kept her in place. Jerioz is not surrounded by nomobs, so that makes me suspect there's something going on there.