While I respect the current imms' (who have been there since I started playing in Legion as a PRC) commitment to the game, I have to say something that I have always wanted to say. Flash is to be blamed. Think about it, all those years, everything has to go through Flash. All those ideas not implemented? Flash. All coders who were eager to help? Flash. The only bottleneck in this game and great ideas? Flash.
Yes, he has a life, yes this is a free game, yes he owns this game. So what? If he doesn't want to be a part of it, let it go, and let others' carry the torch. Or just close it. Seriously. I've never seen a person who wants this much power over something he has no time for.
Ps. I came back to see what has changed since the reopening, very disappointed that Flash is still the bottleneck for almost everything.
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I think Flash made a mostly functional game that works pretty darn well 99% of the time and we just need to fill it again with players.
Depending on who you ask, the biggest deterrent to this game is sometimes the behavior of the other players and that extends into how we interact with each other on the forums.
Depending on who you ask, the biggest deterrent to this game is sometimes the behavior of the other players and that extends into how we interact with each other on the forums.
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Lightside needs people to actually talk. I've seen it hours go during "prime" play frames and it'll just be me saying hi and nothing else chatted whatsoever. Bring back the sociability!
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Before rerolls? You know how long ago that was? IIRC rerolls came out before I stopped playing Otoan and I stopped playing Otoan long before I joined the Navy and that was 8 years ago. Times change. Most people quit. The ones that don't quit are the ones with masters or fades or high ranking channelers to play.edrin wrote:Ok I hope you're joking there Otean because I call bullshit.
You have a 18 17 19 hunter and don't consider that super stats? What a load of bull. Combo with 17 dex is totally viable for any setup except for dodge. Before rerolls edrin was 18 17 18 and I literally played all the setups minus dodge. 17 dex level 51 hunter can pull off a pretty sweet heavy combo stab character.
Seriously? Have you been even playing recently? I've seen numerous people going out of their way in helping people. This ranges from taking a newbie player on a stab smobbing trip to show them the ropes, Aira donating a crapload of gear to the junkyard in Caemlyn on multiple occasions, Dolens smobbing around the world and and dropping stuff of where newer players can find it, Choen and other players literally asking every statter they see if they are new and need help, alayla getting smobtrips together "Smobbers meet skywalk!" and there are dozens more who are out there helping when they are on.And like people have said before no one is really that friendly and they are kind of always being greedy. I remember smobbing and pvping with people like Melyssan who would want to gear his mob before giving you gear.
Get your facts straight bud.
You know what's annoying about a 17 dex stabber? Landing a stab that can't kill a channeler. I had a rogue back in the day, name was Leto. I remember finding Bryan around Caemlyn some where(back when he was just a darkfriend) and actually landing my stab and getting him to auto flee. But then he was dust in the wind. I wonder if I was a 19 dex stabber if he would have died.
Also, no I haven't been playing recently. That's why I posted here to let people know why I don't play. Name me one person that still plays and PKs often and well that has terrible stats and no bonuses. I'm not saying you can't be capable in doing these things with those stats. But would you be 95% optimal? No. You'd be about 80% optimal. While 80% sounds playable you also have to think most people have additional bonuses of clans and masters and fades/dls. So now i'm playing a sub optimal character in an attempt to do the extremely uphill climb of mastering this character so I can just be a little less at a disadvantage than people that already have it all. The time investment is not worth the pay off. Playing with sub optimal stats is like staying with a girl you know you aren't going to marry. Just wasting time until the right one shows up.
Then you add in something I didn't mention that my brother Terrion(who's played more recently than me) actually mentioned to me is that half of DS is not actually trying to fight you. They are just trying to have you mess up so they can get a lucky stab on you and just take your stuff. The other half are fades/dreadlords....
Also something else I didn't mention is pk zones. I love charging. I've always loved having charging fights with people but it's just not viable any more due to terrain and other factors. Two things though. One, getting a BT spear was a nightmare in these days. Two, I remember leveling around spine and some troll or fade would show up and I would get off charges but they would always brick and it was extremely frustrating. Maybe they changed these two things. I'm sure they made BT spears easier to get. Not sure if they changed the coding on the bricks and terrain since that seems to be the bottleneck on this game. Since someone believes that someone is going to steal the code of a 20 year old MUD or something equally as ridiculous and paranoid.(when I don't see why they can't just make anyone that sees the code sign some sort of NDA and if something happened make them liable.)
And I'm sure there are people that are really happy to hand out crappy gear to people. I'm sure there are helpful people that just try their best to keep everyone happy. But for every one of them is another dude that secretly put a full set of gear on his storage alt instead of helping a fellow pker gear back up after dying in the same pk action. Another dude that degears before a smob run so that he can get first pick on all the good loot(I remember smobbing a lot and always seeing the same people in the same crappy set every time. People that I never saw pking but some how always lost it.) The same people that are like I'll trade 10 jcuffs for one copper chit like you see in the bazaar.
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To be honest, it sounds to me like you came back a little cynical to start. You're right, 18 17 19 isn't super, you're not 100% optimal, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the time to play it. You want one of the easiest chars to survive on (a combo charger), and you want getting the 100% optimal really easy. I'm not saying it shouldn't be a bit easier, but as easy as you want - not so much. Just pick up an abs warrior 19 19 in the 10 or so stats it takes and play that. Change mood zerk. There you go. Optimal.
The charge thing is fine in most people's opinions. There are places where it is easier to charge, and places where it is easier to stab. Given charge is frustrating to PK against, I'm ok with that and so are most people.
As for the people situation? There are far more people helping others than there are storing eq and being selfish these days. I'm sorry you think it's otherwise, but in my extensive experience it's really not. So much so those people who do it quite quickly gain a reputation these days. It's true some people get inordinately excited about storing shiny things, but that's not the same as being selfish, that's just them working towards things they enjoy. As long as they do that while being fair, I don't see a major problem with it.
Half of DS not fighting for a lucky stab? Not so much. There are frustrating rogues who just sit looking for the hail mary and not adding to PK, but (thankfully) most trolls these days are more ready to zerk and bash. The real problem with PK these days is distances, with a large mud, people having less time and the total number of people being lower, finding the window where you overlap in time to get PK can be frustrating. Some things have been made towards fixing that (the narrating scouts), but more action in that direction would help.
So, grab an abs warrior, I suggest you'd enjoy it. Otherwise accept your stats and have fun? You don't need that extra stat point to make that fun to play, you just need the attitude to assume you're not massively victimised by playing them.
The charge thing is fine in most people's opinions. There are places where it is easier to charge, and places where it is easier to stab. Given charge is frustrating to PK against, I'm ok with that and so are most people.
As for the people situation? There are far more people helping others than there are storing eq and being selfish these days. I'm sorry you think it's otherwise, but in my extensive experience it's really not. So much so those people who do it quite quickly gain a reputation these days. It's true some people get inordinately excited about storing shiny things, but that's not the same as being selfish, that's just them working towards things they enjoy. As long as they do that while being fair, I don't see a major problem with it.
Half of DS not fighting for a lucky stab? Not so much. There are frustrating rogues who just sit looking for the hail mary and not adding to PK, but (thankfully) most trolls these days are more ready to zerk and bash. The real problem with PK these days is distances, with a large mud, people having less time and the total number of people being lower, finding the window where you overlap in time to get PK can be frustrating. Some things have been made towards fixing that (the narrating scouts), but more action in that direction would help.
So, grab an abs warrior, I suggest you'd enjoy it. Otherwise accept your stats and have fun? You don't need that extra stat point to make that fun to play, you just need the attitude to assume you're not massively victimised by playing them.
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Hi Otoan,
I seem to remember your name, though don't think we hanged out back in the day. The mud has changed and in my opinion most of your concerns in your above post are either "fixed" or not nearly as bad as they once were. And in regard to your stats requirements , it is way easier to stat something now then back in the day. I still play and I don't have a master, fade, or clanned channie... but, i'm not a hardcore pk type either. Still lots to do here, stat something up and shoot me a tell in game.
Taziar
I seem to remember your name, though don't think we hanged out back in the day. The mud has changed and in my opinion most of your concerns in your above post are either "fixed" or not nearly as bad as they once were. And in regard to your stats requirements , it is way easier to stat something now then back in the day. I still play and I don't have a master, fade, or clanned channie... but, i'm not a hardcore pk type either. Still lots to do here, stat something up and shoot me a tell in game.
Taziar
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Thank you for the response. It is much appreciated. I think it's just my mentality here. I'm a min-maxer. I'm also a goal oriented person. It's not only the charger/combo that I'd like to go but I'd like to be able to do everything with one character. Abs one day, charge the next, stab the next. I want to invest all my time into one person. I'm not saying it shouldn't be easy. I've probably statted about 400 characters looking for something like 18+ 18+ 18+ since they changed it to lvl 3. I know people would say that's nothing but that's a lot of time investment for me. I've had several rerolls. Otoan is almost 500 years old. I've had several others that are almost 400 years old. But I didn't know about the bug when rerolls first came out that allowed most people to get amazing stats. Then they nerfed that bug and added a +-2 to statsum to the rolls so if you didn't have a great statsum (like Otoan) your crappy stats are just jumbled around.Petra wrote:To be honest, it sounds to me like you came back a little cynical to start. You're right, 18 17 19 isn't super, you're not 100% optimal, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the time to play it. You want one of the easiest chars to survive on (a combo charger), and you want getting the 100% optimal really easy. I'm not saying it shouldn't be a bit easier, but as easy as you want - not so much. Just pick up an abs warrior 19 19 in the 10 or so stats it takes and play that. Change mood zerk. There you go. Optimal.
The charge thing is fine in most people's opinions. There are places where it is easier to charge, and places where it is easier to stab. Given charge is frustrating to PK against, I'm ok with that and so are most people.
As for the people situation? There are far more people helping others than there are storing eq and being selfish these days. I'm sorry you think it's otherwise, but in my extensive experience it's really not. So much so those people who do it quite quickly gain a reputation these days. It's true some people get inordinately excited about storing shiny things, but that's not the same as being selfish, that's just them working towards things they enjoy. As long as they do that while being fair, I don't see a major problem with it.
Half of DS not fighting for a lucky stab? Not so much. There are frustrating rogues who just sit looking for the hail mary and not adding to PK, but (thankfully) most trolls these days are more ready to zerk and bash. The real problem with PK these days is distances, with a large mud, people having less time and the total number of people being lower, finding the window where you overlap in time to get PK can be frustrating. Some things have been made towards fixing that (the narrating scouts), but more action in that direction would help.
So, grab an abs warrior, I suggest you'd enjoy it. Otherwise accept your stats and have fun? You don't need that extra stat point to make that fun to play, you just need the attitude to assume you're not massively victimised by playing them.
And also if I was going to play the mud it would definitely be to pk. I wouldn't say that I've mastered the roleplaying and pve and other aspects of the game and while they definitely interest me they are just things to do when there is no pk around. I remember on one character I used to go to BE and make domani razors and bring back huge groups of horses back to tv/caemlyn/fd area. That was fun making sure everyone had great horses.
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First of all, I'm relatively sure that dex does not affect stab at all and surely does not impact your damage. Next, you are complaining in one breath about how DS won't pk you but just runs timers hoping for an easy kill, while in the next breath you are complaining that your "easy kill" skill doesn't wizkill people enough. Similarly, you're complaining that people with master bonuses are too overpowered and make it unfair for you, then you go on to say that if you actually put in the time/effort to master, it wouldn't really change anything because other people might have 1-3 stat points more than you?
No offense man, but I really think you are putting far too much emphasis on your stats and blaming everything on them, when that simply is not the case. I get that you're a min/maxer, I am as well and I'm sure plenty of people around here are, also. But at some point you need to stop searching for perfect stats and play with what you've got. Saying that 18 17 18 is garbage is ridiculous. The absolutely only thing you will notice an actual difference is with full dodge, where you will be at a disadvantage. And judging by your comments on eq, you likely shouldn't be playing dodge anyways because it isnt effective without a full kit/jcuffs.
Log on, jump into the game and play more, maybe you will find something you enjoy again. You say you're a goal oriented person; start working on mastering again, get active and smob/quest when its going on, pk other times and try and find a copper/iron chit while you work on mastering. With a little luck and effort, you'll be a 19 18 19 master before you know it, then your biggest problem will be finding a new goal
And if you do find yourself playing more often and want a hand eqing or anything, don't hesitate to ask - I'd wager most everyone who's posted in this thread would be more than happy to help out. Except Petra, she's a witch.
No offense man, but I really think you are putting far too much emphasis on your stats and blaming everything on them, when that simply is not the case. I get that you're a min/maxer, I am as well and I'm sure plenty of people around here are, also. But at some point you need to stop searching for perfect stats and play with what you've got. Saying that 18 17 18 is garbage is ridiculous. The absolutely only thing you will notice an actual difference is with full dodge, where you will be at a disadvantage. And judging by your comments on eq, you likely shouldn't be playing dodge anyways because it isnt effective without a full kit/jcuffs.
Log on, jump into the game and play more, maybe you will find something you enjoy again. You say you're a goal oriented person; start working on mastering again, get active and smob/quest when its going on, pk other times and try and find a copper/iron chit while you work on mastering. With a little luck and effort, you'll be a 19 18 19 master before you know it, then your biggest problem will be finding a new goal
And if you do find yourself playing more often and want a hand eqing or anything, don't hesitate to ask - I'd wager most everyone who's posted in this thread would be more than happy to help out. Except Petra, she's a witch.
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Yeah, people shouldn't freak out about stats so much. I mastered on shitty stats, I've rerolled to...slightly less shitty stats but I ate a MASSIVE HP handicap, so I'm almost back to square one on that. Learn the mechanics and what the stat differences actually equate to, and just play a good char great. I learned how to play a terrible end of the 16 con spectrum hunter before, and I still know how to pull it off years later. 
Master bonuses are silly, but can definitely be overcome if you know they're coming at you. At any point I've played this game, I would love an 18 17 19 or 18 18 17 character (for hunters, that is) so don't think you -have- to have sick stats to compete. If this rogue has 17 dex, you could make the argument that it's much rougher on the practices and maybe shoot for a better rogue (I like Murandy for a quick rogue. Boar or WOlf if you're looking for a trolloc rogue.)
Master bonuses are silly, but can definitely be overcome if you know they're coming at you. At any point I've played this game, I would love an 18 17 19 or 18 18 17 character (for hunters, that is) so don't think you -have- to have sick stats to compete. If this rogue has 17 dex, you could make the argument that it's much rougher on the practices and maybe shoot for a better rogue (I like Murandy for a quick rogue. Boar or WOlf if you're looking for a trolloc rogue.)