disabling 'where' for clanned seanchan

[Pallaeon]

Thanks for being the perfect example of nuanceless rp. Here's your minority Ely. And so pleasant and respectful of other players.

In terms of rp, you were told to swear the oaths or die. Don't want to swear the oaths? Die. Talk dung, get hit.

idiot.

[nynaota]

The mechanics are the same as it would be for every other clan. Every clan (except BG if I'm not mistaken) gain quest points for Seanchan scalps just as much as Seanchan gain quest points for other LS scalps.

In terms of rp, you were told to swear the oaths or die. Don't want to swear the oaths? Die. Talk dung, get hit. The only people swearing any oaths are seanchan sworn, and that's why SS don't kill them. If you want to live in your bubble of safety, swear the oaths and deal with the repercussions that come with it.

Honestly this discussion has the answer already, which I stated above. It's 100% optional as to whether or not you want to be possibly targeted by Seanchan.

More people swearing the oaths = less people to kill = less qps for Seanchan players.

Yet another reading comprehension fail. This isn't about living in a bubble of safety. This is about getting Rewards for basically being on easy mode. And being able to double dip for full Rewards. Also as stated before anybody with a clerk can do this. So it's not just about the SS though they have the majority on it. Once again I'm proposing a policy change set forth by the SS and anyone else that benefits from hunting with where random non Clan people. There will always be caveats. Like you said run your mouth and get killed. Also interfere and attack on your own and become a Target. It would be the simplest thing to put up on tales of the empire the non Clan fokes who have done either of those or something worthy of being killed for.

this just seems like such a made up problem, that or i must have missed all the new seanchan masters or something.... has there been a rush of seanchan making master in a month? a couple of months? I thought that was only north pkers....

everyone knows its far easier to master by going north, and most seanchan use the warrant system, even though its broken for us which makes it extremely hard to tell who is wanted or not

[Shiva]

Just delete SS completely and be done with it.

[Lord Pe]

The mechanics are the same as it would be for every other clan. Every clan (except BG if I'm not mistaken) gain quest points for Seanchan scalps just as much as Seanchan gain quest points for other LS scalps.

In terms of rp, you were told to swear the oaths or die. Don't want to swear the oaths? Die. Talk dung, get hit. The only people swearing any oaths are seanchan sworn, and that's why SS don't kill them. If you want to live in your bubble of safety, swear the oaths and deal with the repercussions that come with it.

Honestly this discussion has the answer already, which I stated above. It's 100% optional as to whether or not you want to be possibly targeted by Seanchan.

More people swearing the oaths = less people to kill = less qps for Seanchan players.

Yet another reading comprehension fail. This isn't about living in a bubble of safety. This is about getting Rewards for basically being on easy mode. And being able to double dip for full Rewards. Also as stated before anybody with a clerk can do this. So it's not just about the SS though they have the majority on it. Once again I'm proposing a policy change set forth by the SS and anyone else that benefits from hunting with where random non Clan people. There will always be caveats. Like you said run your mouth and get killed. Also interfere and attack on your own and become a Target. It would be the simplest thing to put up on tales of the empire the non Clan fokes who have done either of those or something worthy of being killed for.

this just seems like such a made up problem, that or i must have missed all the new seanchan masters or something.... has there been a rush of seanchan making master in a month? a couple of months? I thought that was only north pkers....

everyone knows its far easier to master by going north, and most seanchan use the warrant system, even though its broken for us which makes it extremely hard to tell who is wanted or not

You too missed the point. The simple fact that it's allowed for one thing and it exists for a second or things that should give anyone pause. How many people making master and how fast they are doing it doesn't matter to this argument one bit. It's just the sheer existence of this mechanism. All I'm calling for some checks and balances on it. Yes I know my original point was a quite heavy-handed idea but if you read you will see I backed off of that.

[Xin]

Hello everyone.

My name is Xin.

People say a lot of things about me and I think some of you have insinuated that I have done a few things that I have not in this thread.

I will kill you if there's a 90% chance you are an Oathbreaker. I often also ask on globals if anyone would like to swear the Oaths before I come and kill you. If you don't want to swear the Oaths and you're hanging out in Oathbreaker lands/cities, you're probably in the 90%. I do not see how this is any different to a trolloc coming and killing you though, I'm just a different enemy.

If you are unclanned and hanging out in SS territory then I will come chat with you. If you have a genuine interest in joining the side there's no reason you would exp anywhere else because we honestly have the best exp and everyone helps each other out. We shower newbies and new comers with endless amounts of equipment, buddy up and level them up quick. Its my experience though that most people don't have any interest in becoming a Seanchan and they will tend to not hang out around SS territories.

In regards to being incognito most clanned Seanchan are expected to be cognito with the exception of the Mandarb a'Shar who are assassins. I am a Mandarb a'Shar. I will generally not be incognito when conducting official business within Seanchan lands or in the borderlands to comply with our treaty with Shienar.

Some of you have made claims that I kill lowbies. I do recall once I accidentally killed a lowbie who was incognito. I returned their equipment. I actually return most people's equipment. Otherwise I don't actively target lowbies but if you're incognito you really can't expect people to know.

Some of you have also made claims that I steal scalps and even made claims that I turn in scalps I don't earn. These claims are pretty ludicrous frankly. I've never stolen a scalp and I've never turned in a scalp I haven't earned. Staff have already said the clerk is monitored and I bet if you complain they probably double check.

I do know that some people dislike me and I think that all started around the time I stabbed Ahri around apple after some DS PK. It looked like DS had left up cut and had some time had passed so naturally I went for the marath'damane. DS then reappeared right after and Ahri died.

I am sure you probably treat everyone that way that plays a character that fills a part of the WoT universe you don't like. I am sure a *oL would probably have done the same thing to Ahri and probably also cop the same flack.

Ironically Ahri is now a White Leopard.

Generally I've found people just say a lot of untrue crap to make me out as some scumbag. I do talk back because I find it humorous and enjoy hearing just how wound up you all get over something I haven't even done. If I have actually done something grossly wrong then you can mail the Deathwatch, my clan, other SS clans logs or staff to investigate my scalp turn ins. Overall though I think there is a lot of prejudice held against SS and myself in particular that isn't really justified.

Not to mention when SS was a separate side there used to be a lot more lame dung that LS would do to us. I don't know how many times I got blicked by LS master stabbers while fighting DS for example. Only problem was back then there was no one else around to complain to. You just had to suck it up and move on.

Pe, if you speak from your experience then why do you not have a single specific detail of an actual experience? Who was involved and what actually happened?

[Annalise]

Seanchan is still a side. Nowhere else in the game do you have 5 clans that are permanently allied with a singular goal (except darkSIDE). I treat and play my SS the same way as I always have.

Also the smob reports are and have always been bullshit, imo. They have no basis or reasoning behind them.

I really don't think they or anyone else who gets sameside scalps has an unfair advantage. They still have to earn that scalp by killing someone.

[Tso]

Well you see Xin, it's not about "what has happened" it is about "what could happen." Just look three posts above this one and you'll see Pe making that infinitely clear.

[Raemon]

Thanks for being the perfect example of nuanceless rp. Here's your minority Ely. And so pleasant and respectful of other players.

In terms of rp, you were told to swear the oaths or die. Don't want to swear the oaths? Die. Talk dung, get hit.

idiot.

I thought about being respectful until you made a conceited comment. Again, if you refuse to swear the oaths, you deserve every single pk rip coming to you by some same siding Seanchan. Not their fault, that's on you.

[Kerryk]

This is not the experience I have had with you Xin. You killed one of my unknown, unclanned alts without offering them the oaths. Your explained way you go about your business does not reflect the experiences I have had while you were online.

Nobody, I repeat, nobody has a problem with Seanchan killing clanned and Seanchan Empire wanteds. This is about a diversion from book RP for the sole reason to make PK easier for you. The Seanchan did not wholesale slaughter people who did not fight them back.

Like Varys in the Game of Thrones my loyalty is to Robert Jordan's realm, not a particular "side"

[Lord Pe]

Well you see Xin, it's not about "what has happened" it is about "what could happen." Just look three posts above this one and you'll see Pe making that infinitely clear.

You're getting closer. As it stands, the clerk will take a scalp from anything you kill and give you X qps. Where X is the value of head, bit, or scalp. It doesn't understand clanned or unclanned, it doesn't understand if it was a reset, you found the corpse, or if you got it through legit PK. This is to make the headache on the imms with clan wars a bit less. We all understand that point.

When Seanchan was a separate side to log in on you could turn in any scalp to whatever leader and get those same rewards, or even the clerk if it was there pre-change over to its new iteration. But say you had one of the very few and rare seanchan side oathbreakers, and you killed one, then you'd have to mail a log to your clan head(imm or group) to be rewarded. This was all fine.

Then seanchan moved to human side, and at some point the clerk started acting as I described in paragraph one. That means that a seanchan(or any clan that can eek out a justification) could get QPs just like they were still a separate side. The only problems as far as I can see is that this system can and will be abused at some point, and secondly those seanchan that choose to fight humans get to use 'where' to do so. So my beef is boiling down to, how can that even be remotely close to the amount of effort involved in fighting vs darkside when you never know if you're going to be fighting one or ten? And the argument isn't quite that simple. With 'where' you have a huge advantage over just plain old DS pk. I know this from experience.

As I've said before, I don't have any problems with same side pk. It's fun. It used to be all I did.... waaaay back when, however if I murdered someone and I wanted QPs for it I had to have a reason to even mail an imm to ask. Seanchan have a reason to kill essentially anyone. I am not disputing that in the slightest. I am disputing the fact that they can use that powerful tool and still get the same rewards, and I am WORRIED it will lead to picking off of unclanned people because they are easier targets. I have been attacked once in memory since the change: it was in WB on an unclanned character of mine I don't remember the name of my char or theirs, but it went something like, attack at wb square... i say, not even going to ask about the oaths? They say: does it matter? I go to mobs, they call me a string of bad words, and I rent later.