disabling 'where' for clanned seanchan

[Lord Pe]

You obviously have not played a Seanchan and interacted with very many unclanned people.

Basically, people don't like dying. They'll say anything to avoid death. We've seen incognito Accepted cry wolf. People that repeatedly attack SS and cry wolf. People that even apply to SS clans and cry wolf.

But as I have said multiple times, if someone kills someone they should not I am more than happy to investigate/review and punish those people.

The truth is that it simply doesn't happen. If it did I'd have at least ONE complaint about it in my mail box. There has been absolutely nothing for me to police. If you have a specific scenario then send it to me. If you don't then stop speculating and trying to make out like this is a giant problem.

And as everyone has repeatedly stated its actually much harder to get those same side scalps than it is to get DS scalps. How much effort do you think it takes to get qps when you're constantly fighting outnumbered in places like Andor?

Heres the rub though. Everyone with a clerk still has the option to turn in any scalp for QPS. Are you going to deny someone QPS that they legally can get? What I am proposing is more of a change in policy. Losing where was my first idea. I will admit it has now moved to my last idea.

The new order is roughly: remove clerk same side reward go back to mailing and having to prove a worthy reason for an unclanned kill reward.

Self policing and a clear policy for all clans using the clerk for same side rewards.

Removal of where for anyone who atrempts to abuse any policy set forth plus the usual 10x docking.

Blanket removal of where for repeat offending clans.

[Pallaeon]

Seanchan tried really hard to only attack clanned members, again except for a couple that do it solo.

This is the gist of things imo. Most seanchan aren't trollocs with where but some are. These players are using the majority that aren't rping trollocs/psycopaths as cover. By allowing this path to master, the immortals are rewarding this sort of behavior. I'm pretty sure this is an unprecedented endorsement of sameside murdering, at least on this scale. It has always been there but it's never been rewarded like this. Maybe where removal is too much but acting like this is the way things have always been is disingenuous.

[Cosmo]

Where are the logs? What are the circumstances of the specific scenarios??

How on earth can anyone self police when there is nothing to police? Give me something to police.

It seems to me you have completely changed tact because you're just having a whinge without any kind of logic.

[Lord Pe]

Where are the logs? What are the circumstances of the specific scenarios??

How on earth can anyone self police when there is nothing to police? Give me something to police.

It seems to me you have completely changed tact because you're just having a whinge without any kind of logic.

as it stands there is nothing to police. It's not against any rule it's just like you were still on the other side. So there are no logs of any wrongdoing. What I'm proposing is sense some certain Clans get unfettered QPS for any kill that there be a policy change. I'm not sure you're reading what I'm writing. And really some people. I admit my first idea was a little harsh and all of a sudden it's oh yeah you're just whining and changing tactics because it's not logical? Seriously how many people do you see say well I thought about it a little more blah blah blah. I see why people usually don't do that because of assholes like you.

[Terinor]

Well no need to call people names. I think cosmo means he is willing to police killing of unclanned if you mail him logs.

[Lord Pe]

Well no need to call people names. I think cosmo means he is willing to police killing of unclanned if you mail him logs.

Yeah I'm not a big fan of calling people names but the way he phrase that made him out to be a complete asshole. He's either not reading when I'm writing or spinning it in his head in some way form or fashion that is extremely delusional.

Also is he president of SS? I must have missed the memo. Good on him if he will police it. But he must have missed the part where I said there needs to be a clear-cut policy.

To clarify further. Sorry I had to call you an asshole Cosmo. Stop using straw man arguments and actually read what is being said if you want to get in on this discussion.

[Kerryk]

This is a Wheel of Time game, please show me in the books where Seanchan wholesale slaughtered people indiscriminately.

Start with policing people like Xin.

Make Seanchan something other than a complaint, make it an integral part of the LS story line like it should be.

[Terinor]

Clan leaders of each seanchan clan work together as a collective whole while the voice and opinion of all can be heard.

[Baco]

It is up to the players to make Seanchan a part of the storyline. The war system gives them one way to do that, the other might involve politics. I think the issue has been the people who typically like to roleplay and negotiate on forums are not the same as the people playing. There was like 15 pages of discussion on the boards about the FD/SS treaty for example, much more time was put into that on the forums then I saw put into playing SS (granted I'm not watching super closely, just the feeling I got).

Even back before we were the same side it was often a pain to roleplay with people instead of killing them, you go into the room and say "Don't move or we'll attack!" then they either RP a little or spam off and if you go chasing the level 20 that spammed off you are kind of a jerk, but if you don't you just made an empty threat.

My two ideas:

1. Someone code us up a nice little drawl package so that we can all pick if we want to understand seanchan or not. The greatest thing about DS/LS is the inability to communicate which prevents it becoming yelling sessions about this and that.

2. Post logs if you get or see someone killed in a way that seems unfair or bad for the game. With our playerbase size, I really think the name and shame is super effective - at least it usually works on me.

[Kerryk]

Seanchan is not a SIDE anymore. It is part of LS

Every clan member you ever get again is going to be from LS