Weapons Crafting

[Reyne]

Hm.

Don't trade female angreal in Tar Valon, and I'd keep it off chats and narrates. Should go without saying but obviously attacking Moiraine Sedai or other Tower mobs that might load angreal will get you a warrant.

Regarding selectivity of rules, the Hall can certainly change policy as it sees fit. This is how I interpret Tower Law as it is now, though:

I see you trading or handling angreal in Tar Valon -> I ask you to hand them over (in exchange for a reward or promise of future reward) or leave -> you hand them over or leave or get warranted -> if you do it frequently then you get banished.

If you consistently trade angreal via tells/narrates (as in you do it all the time even after being warned off) or otherwise make it well known that you are a dealer in angreal, you will be warranted whether or not you are in Tar Valon.

Aes Sedai aren't thieves, forcing people to give then what they want without recompense.

Yes, I do typically reward those who hand over angreal (even used up ones). I don't barter for them, though. I'm sure different people handle it differently.

Agreed. A finder's fee or reward for recovery is the way I'd go about it as well.

(from an ooc and gameplay perspective I don't like taking people's stuff and I'd rather they just handled themselves discretely rather than have a big fuss get kicked up over this. I'm certainly not going to hang out at the crafter mobs to see who shows up. At the same time if you openly are trading angreal in front of Aes Sedai you are kind of asking for it.)

[Melayna]

Not sure how it is shaky RP - didn't the Tower store all kinds of things in Randland or am I mixing it up with Tear storing all kinds of junk they suspected of being ter/angreal ? Fairly sure the Tower was very mad at Tear for having an angreal storage that they deemed was their property. To the point of not knowing its a male angreal I'd assume the Tower would also have information on male angreals from before the breaking. Been a while since I read the books, but I dimly seem to recall Rand telling the Dark Tower about a bunch of male angreals in some known storage(Tower or Tear maybe?), although I could just be misremembering been a fair few years since I last reread them.

Oh without a doubt both of them would be collecting them. But the Tower also wouldn't be going to war with Tear over it, or threatening Defenders with a death warrant for not handing one over if found. If they even recognized it for that.

There's quite a few storages of angreal/ter'angreal noted in the books, collections of random objects half of which either did nothing or they couldn't figure out what they did. They collected anything funny looking or with properties that seem to defy logic. You see all kinds of people collecting heartstone objects or other things from the age of legends throughout the books. What you dont see is Aes Sedai raiding the personal belongings of people collecting these things. They buy/trade/politically obtain them.

Ah my point was more that the Tower recognizes angreals and items of Power as property of the Tower. When Egwene? allows the Windfinders to keep the Bowl of Winds half the Tower is in an uproar and against it. I believe the Kin themselves recognized angreals and such to be the items of the Tower and to avoid notice they wouldn't go near that storage in BE(again I could be mixing stuff up). Since those are some of the only clues we actually get to how the Tower deals with angreals, I'd imagine it is a pretty safe bet that the Tower would likely put a warrant out for the arrest of any peddler who was openly trading angreals, if he refused to hand them over for a finder's fee. My very few interactions with Aes Sedai and angreals have been that I have generally received some gold or a sid/gchain maybe as thanks for returning the item, and that has generally also been my interactions when I've been offered one on my Aes Sedai or have seen someone on bazaar trading them, although once or twice it has been met by refusal and a subsequent warrant. Much as how most clans would warrant someone for wearing their clan equipment and refusing to turn them in at a weary.

edit: anyway perhaps this is a discussion better taken on the Sedai boards.

[Itesh]

Tower also doesn't claim things like lightsticks though they are clearly ter'angreal.

Although sidenote, I created lanterns, available for purchase in the borderlands that are very nearly as good as lightsticks specifically so that people could stop pretending they aren't ter'angreal. So that's a thing.

[Camus]

How does ds Get bars of iron?

There is a new mining system in place for DS viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9710

[Rhonin]

Tower also doesn't claim things like lightsticks though they are clearly ter'angreal.

Although sidenote, I created lanterns, available for purchase in the borderlands that are very nearly as good as lightsticks specifically so that people could stop pretending they aren't ter'angreal. So that's a thing.

You mean those storm lanterns that nobody ever uses because they weigh 9000 pounds and kill your encumbrance?

[Weir]

Don't they weigh like, 0.8 lbs vs 0.5 lbs of a lightstick?

[Florry]

Tower also doesn't claim things like lightsticks though they are clearly ter'angreal.

Although sidenote, I created lanterns, available for purchase in the borderlands that are very nearly as good as lightsticks specifically so that people could stop pretending they aren't ter'angreal. So that's a thing.

I knew I loved you, Itesh.

I carry those lanterns all the time.

[isabel]

Wow thanks itesh. Wasn't sure what those lanterns were and I figured it was some random clan quest item love the RP adherence.

I thought this thread would explain weapons crafting stuff :p

[Draz]

Ok so I've had situations in smobbing where it is well known that for simplicity I split everything.

So when someone in the group makes the argument that if the aes sedai wants the angreal, they need to use their roll for it, and the aes sedai disagrees - we end up with a huge shitfight on our hand. When others see their RP as specifically NOT rolling over and giving stuff to the Tower.

Each time we've basically ended up doing the split without anyone taking the angreal, and its been given to the AS after, but as a player I completely support the notion of splits. I mean heck if someone else took the angreal the AS could rightly DEMAND it afterwards, and create a political incident, particularly if they claim to know its an angreal. But as far as the split goes - I totally understand people getting pissy that its just been assumed by me that the Tower member gets the angreals.

I don't see it being an issue with Tower dominated groups - but when you've got 5-6 unaffiliated and one AS comes,.. well that's been the headache each time, and is one of the reasons I stopped smobbing iomm.

I'd potentially be open to Tower members forgoing the split to take angreal - but in all honesty thats a bit dung 1 - for the people who aren't getting to roll on whatever rares loaded, and 2 - for the people who want the angreals for creating items

[Aishana]

Yeah the whole thing is just painful all around. I feel like I have to take the mc angreal because I'm tower blah blah blah....then feel bad for taking an item that someone else potentially wants because I'm rpishly forced to....then I miss out on a chance at an item I actually want because I feel like I have to stay out of split because I got said angreal....and in the end I don't even want the stupid thing and I can't do anything with it because I'm not an mc and I can only turn in 10 angreal per year for 1 qp that I dont need anyway. So the things just get given to a random sedai mob in the tower or to someone else who might not have gotten the 10 angreal yet.