How should I come back?

[Rig]

Why does the current generation seem to feel that working towards a goal and having to put your full effort/ time into something is detrimental and negative?

I personally don't feel like putting the work and effort into something is necessarily negative unless you make it so. With these secret clans, I don't have much experience with this so I might be misinformed, it might be that while said "appies" are working toward said goal that they are also not getting an feedback after long periods of time.

While I'm not sure how these clans handle that sort of thing it seems to be one of the things that stem the said "issues" as well.

[dnc]

Truth of the matter is that spending the same amount of time that people used to when the mud had 200 people on is not something people are willing to do when the mud's future is up in the air. To expect people to put in the same effort in the face of more uncertainty is a bit silly.

[Santino]

So don't do it. And stop complaining. Leave it for those who are willing to push to make their goals reality.

*Edit* Because the real truth of the matter, is these kinds of complaints have been going on for years. Before most of you started, and then of course more recently. And while you guys have complained. Tons of players have gotten into these clans through hard work.

There's always some kind of excuse eh?

[Kyr]

Why does the current generation seem to feel that working towards a goal and having to put your full effort/ time into something is detrimental and negative?

I personally don't feel like putting the work and effort into something is necessarily negative unless you make it so. With these secret clans, I don't have much experience with this so I might be misinformed, it might be that while said "appies" are working toward said goal that they are also not getting an feedback after long periods of time.

While I'm not sure how these clans handle that sort of thing it seems to be one of the things that stem the said "issues" as well.

I think this is a great example, as you vocally and constantly whine about this stuff when, in reality, you don't really know anything about how the process works. Everyone who's responded about how to go about getting into a secret clan has listed "don't be a fnut" as a requirement. In the end, that's typically the biggest factor in clanning anywhere and even moreso with the elite/secret clans, imo - your attitude and how you fit in will always take precedence over your skills. And that's why most of the people whining here will never even be considered.

Not sure how or why anyone would think they're an "appie" in wb, but if you don't get any feedback its probably because 1) you aren't a firetrucking "appie" and are just imagining that you are or 2) you've bugged a friend to put in a good word for you and don't realize that that doesn't get you very far or 3) Langois thought it was funny to give you a fake quest involving giving fishing nets to annoying pc's.

[langois]

Yeah I've totally checked out. So if I'm giving anyone info it's false!

[Rig]

Rig is merely interested in the conversation and opinions of the peoples. Don't take my dung posting the wrong way good friend Kyr. I have no desire to join said clans but I feel it is a good idea to confront the issues of the people vs the clans they complain about!

Is why I said I am most likely wrong in some/most aspects since I have only experienced these things through hearsay. Is real educational for me!

Edit: The more in depth this goes the more I understand as well! Happy Friday/Saturday friends

[Arandur]

Point blank the mud and a lot of the players are petty and childish. A lot of the players posting are the culprits of its downfall. This is a dying if not dead text based game. Yet some still think to hold dominion and power over everything. People don't care to waste up to months to get clanned. It's absurd that it takes even weeks. Specially if that player is very active. As for the put your head down and be inconspicuous mumbo jumbo bit. Laughable aswell. Soon as someone with sway thinks your someone they dislike for whatever reason good luck.

I really don't care anymore because I've long since given up trying. But example of the stupidity of clanning. For people that don't know I used to be Javier and so many others. During my time as Gaiden and Gaiden master I did nothing wrong. I decided to try and quit the game and deleted some 5ish masters and countless other high ranking clanneds. I did this of my own accord. 6 months or so later. I realized I did it for the wrong reasons And wanted to come back. I've always for the most part enjoyed wotmud.

So I got an unknown char and applied for Gaiden again. I didn't tell anyone but 1 person who I was. I was extremely active, kept my head down. Didn't get into any sort of trouble. Was a good leader and fighter and did really well in pk. I think I was an applicant for nearly two months. Yes months...active. And when it came time for voting was denied. The clanning process on this game for some clans is atrocious and a dictatorship. This happened in other clans as well being denied. Granted much shorter lengths of time invested. So I tried on other unknown alts, and some got in. Point is I'm a introvert person. I don't play here for friends, I'm not very buddy buddy. I play because I like the game mostly and it's pk. But if your going to sit and tell me that there isn't an elitist and buddy buddy system in certain clans your a liar. While I was in Gaiden a few left, only to be nearly insta clanned on another alt. Because they were friends with the right people.

I'm just saying this because it's truly funny that people think it's not the case. This game is beyond petty and childish and has an elitist vibe. Clanning in some clans is absurd and takes way to much effort. Like I've said above I could care less anymore at this stage of the game and mudding life. Time is to precious to waste on forever trying to be in clans with people like that. I don't care if I ever get into a bonused clan again. It's just amusing to me that some people think it's not a problem or its just easy to do. To waste a month or better on the off chance someone who doesn't hate you says no. I'll stick with the feeder clans and easier ones. Illian companions and some other easier clans are not elitest and friendly. I've never needed super bonuses to be competitive. It's just the point that the game has suffered majorly from that type of attitude on clanning.

[Razhak]

Perhaps you would get in If you didnt misspell Gaidin every time...

But other then that: dont let the door hit you on the way out. This is clearly Not the place for you.

[Petra]

Arandur you happily mention one side of the coin of wait times, and the problem around a smaller, less active playerbase, but don't draw the parallel conclusion. People are less active on game and in forums now, that means clanning people that require a positive vote by players in the clan often takes longer.

I'm not saying some processes couldn't be easier, but if we're talking a vote to join a clan, you also have to factor in the difficulty in actually having people on long enough to view an applicant, form an opinion and then vote. You don't have to be 'buddy buddy' with everyone to do that, but doing so means you at least can coordinate play times a bit more. Ultimately clanning is about joining a like group of peers, you need to expect that you'll have to expend some effort to fit into that peer group if you want to join them. Some are more diverse than others, find the one that fits you.

[Treach]

There are more clans than people logged in these days.