Loing qps on Tower mobs

[Draz]

Like the 20th time this has happened.
Can't return to base without breaking mob lead. Ungrouping breaks mob lead. Renting or quitting charges 2qps for R7 mob.. and sends that mob home.


j fol draz
[order young]
A young Tower Guard starts following you.
Ok.

* R HP:Battered MV:Full >

(tic_timer): Tic in 2 seconds!
s

Your heartbeat calms down more as you feel less panicked.
(tic_timer): Tic length updated to: 61.979 seconds.
(tic_timer): Exact aggro pulse

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Path Through the East Garden
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A Tower Guard watches for signs of trouble.
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.
A young Tower Guard has arrived from the north.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
e
e
The Sunrise Gate
[ obvious exits: E W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: sunrisegate
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A middle-aged officer is here controlling his subordinates.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A young Tower Guard has arrived from the west.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
The sunrisegate seems to be closed.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
cal
e
You call for the sunrisegate to be opened.
A Tower gateguard nods.
A Tower gateguard opens the sunrisegate.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Tower Square
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: Tar Valon
Door west: sunrisegate
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A young Tower Guard has arrived from the west.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
j rem all;j drop all
[order young]
A young Tower Guard stops using a full metal helmet and visor.
A young Tower Guard stops using a shining steel breastplate.
A young Tower Guard stops using a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces.
A young Tower Guard stops using a pair of heavy metal gauntlets.
A young Tower Guard stops using a dull black shield.
A young Tower Guard grips an opal adorned steel tulwar with both hands.
A young Tower Guard stops using an opal adorned steel tulwar.
A young Tower Guard stops using a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves.
A young Tower Guard stops using a pair of thick metal boots.
Ok.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
[order young]
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of thick metal boots.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves.
A young Tower Guard drops an opal adorned steel tulwar.
A young Tower Guard drops a dull black shield.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of heavy metal gauntlets.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces.
A young Tower Guard drops a shining steel breastplate.
A young Tower Guard drops a full metal helmet and visor.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of thick metal boots.
A young Tower Guard drops a shining steel breastplate.
A young Tower Guard drops a pair of heavy metal gauntlets.
Ok.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
i

The sunrisegate closes quietly.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
You are carrying:
a receipt
a wealth of gold crowns (64)
a sack of green ivy
some brown kaf beans
[2] a blue pouch of flatwort tea
[4] a soft leather pouch
a cup of thready brown tea
six copper pennys
a silver etched shield

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
l young
Wearing the White Flame of Tar Valon on his breast, this guard is entrusted
with keeping the streets safe from petty thieves and pickpockets. He also
escorts Aes Sedai and Gaidin if called upon.


A young Tower Guard has a few scratches.
A young Tower Guard is scratched.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
ungr young
A young Tower Guard is no longer a member of your group.
A young Tower Guard stops following you.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
cal
w
You call for the sunrisegate to be opened.
The sunrisegate is opened from the other side.

w
* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
The Sunrise Gate
[ obvious exits: E W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: sunrisegate
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A middle-aged officer is here controlling his subordinates.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Path Through the East Garden
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A Tower Guard watches for signs of trouble.
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
n
w
w
The Warders' Practice Yard
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
Lady Eldrenia the Arch Sister is resting here.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace, riding a warhorse.
A mercenary lingers here, ready to earn his pay.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.

w
* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Path Passing the Spring Garden
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door north: carveddoors
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A Tower Guard watches for signs of trouble.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
Flagstone Yard Outside the Barracks
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by you.
A calm woman bathed in serenity seems to attract your attention.
Jimar Chubain, instructor of the Tower Guard.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > You can't ride in there.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
m fol draz

Jimar Chubain stops using a lantern.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
dism
[order h.towerguard]
That person isn't here.

* R HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
w
You stop riding him.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh > Barracks of the Tower Guard
[ obvious exits: N E U ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door north: metaldoor
Door up: carveddoor
A brightly-colored sash lies here, in a heap.
A pair of thin but sturdy metal boots stands here.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace.
The Captain of the Tower Guard, stands here attending his duties.
A thin man with a gray beard studies a ledger here.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
m fol draz
[order h.towerguard]
Your leadership status is not that high!

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
m rem
m rem
m rem
m rem
m rem
m rem
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

m rem
* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > [order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
ggg
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
[order h.towerguard]
They must be following you first.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
ungr
[group all]
Someone is now a member of your group.
A raven is now a member of your group.
A raven is now a member of your group.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
You have disbanded the group.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
m fol draz

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
[order h.towerguard]
Your leadership status is not that high!

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
eq
You are using:
<used as light> a lantern
<worn on finger> a jade signet ring
<worn on finger> a jade signet ring
<worn on head> a full metal helmet and visor
<worn around neck> a shimmering chain of gold
<worn around neck> a shimmering chain of gold
<worn on body> an engraved steel breastplate
<worn about body> a black, silver-embroidered cape
<slung on back> a backpack
<worn on arms> a pair of ebony-steel plate vambraces
<worn on hands> a pair of heavy metal gauntlets
<worn around wrist> a sungwood bracelet
<worn around wrist> a sungwood bracelet
<wielded two-handed> a massive war maul (scratched)
<worn about waist> a bronze belt of odd design
<worn on belt> a shiny copper dagger
<worn on belt> a dagger
<worn on legs> a pair of ebony-steel plate greaves
<worn on feet> a pair of thick metal boots

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
sc
You have 233(418) hit and 201(202) movement points.
You have scored 113605202 experience points and 3065 quest points.
You need 4894798 exp to level and 6935 qp to rank.
You have amassed 108 Turn points to date.
You have played 333 days and 14 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Draz the Gaidin Commander [Gaidin 8] (Level 51).
You are standing.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
e
e
e
Flagstone Yard Outside the Barracks
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby.
A calm woman bathed in serenity seems to attract your attention.
Jimar Chubain, instructor of the Tower Guard.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > Path Passing the Spring Garden
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door north: carveddoors
A Tower Guard watches for signs of trouble.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
The Warders' Practice Yard
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
Lady Eldrenia the Arch Sister is resting here.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace, riding a warhorse.
A mercenary lingers here, ready to earn his pay.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
y
[tell coulin for the glory of the aes sedai]
You tell Coulin the Master of Arms 'for the glory of the aes sedai'

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
sc

Coulin the Master of Arms nods at you.
Coulin the Master of Arms unlocks the officedoor.
Coulin the Master of Arms opens the officedoor.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > You have 233(418) hit and 196(202) movement points.
You have scored 113605202 experience points and 3065 quest points.
You need 4894798 exp to level and 6935 qp to rank.
You have amassed 108 Turn points to date.
You have played 333 days and 14 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Draz the Gaidin Commander [Gaidin 8] (Level 51).
You are standing.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
e
u
Warders' Office
[ obvious exits: W U ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door west: officedoor
Machan the Gaidin Quartermaster studies his stores.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A large man with an air of violence stands here smoking a pipe.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > The Warder's Quarters
[ obvious exits: D ]
Zone: White Tower Upper Floors
A small garden sprouts various herbs.
A massive but graying retired Warder stands here manning the quarters.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
rent
The Warder's Charge of Quarters tells you, 'Your rent allowance is currently 19 gold crowns and 12
coppers per day.
You have 5 gold crowns and 16 coppers left unused on your allowance.
Your rent is free!'

The Warder's Charge of Quarters stores your belongings and helps you into your private chamber.
Starting timer for alting.
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The Warder's Quarters
[ obvious exits: D ]
Zone: White Tower Upper Floors
A small garden sprouts various herbs.
A massive but graying retired Warder stands here manning the quarters.

You were rented for 0.00 days.
Your last allowance of 19 gold crowns and 12 coppers per day covers all charges.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
You have 233(418) hit and 194(202) movement points.
You have scored 113605202 experience points and 3063 quest points.
You need 4894798 exp to level and 6937 qp to rank.
You have amassed 108 Turn points to date.
You have played 333 days and 14 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Draz the Gaidin Commander [Gaidin 8] (Level 51).
You are standing.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >

Vala tells you 'bummer'

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >

Vala tells you 'sent you a little highlight, that's some wild dung in TAR'

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
l
The Warder's Quarters
A row of perfectly made bunks line either wall. The blankets are pulled
taunt and corners completely square. The room is clean and lit well,
equipped with plain but functional furniture. Not a bit of decoration is to
be seen about, the personal effects of this room's inhabitants are neatly
locked in their footlockers. Everything is in its place. A list of rules
has been posted on the wall.
[ obvious exits: D ]
Zone: White Tower Upper Floors
A small garden sprouts various herbs.
A massive but graying retired Warder stands here manning the quarters.

* HP:Wounded MV:Fresh >
d
Warders' Office
[ obvious exits: W U ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door west: officedoor
Machan the Gaidin Quartermaster studies his stores.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A warder stands here, ready for combat.
A large man with an air of violence stands here smoking a pipe.

'exit
* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
You say 'exit'

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >

The officedoor swings open.

w
* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
s
The Warders' Practice Yard
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
Lady Eldrenia the Arch Sister is resting here.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A Tower guard is here protecting the peace, riding a warhorse.
A mercenary lingers here, ready to earn his pay.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.

e
* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
e
Path Through the East Garden
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
The Sunrise Gate
[ obvious exits: E W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: sunrisegate
A Tower Guard watches for signs of trouble.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A middle-aged officer is here controlling his subordinates.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.
A guard stands here monitoring the people entering the Tower grounds.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
The sunrisegate seems to be closed.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >
cal
e
You call for the sunrisegate to be opened.
A Tower gateguard nods.
A Tower gateguard opens the sunrisegate.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full > Tower Square
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: Tar Valon
Door west: sunrisegate
A metal helmet with attached visor rests here.
A shining steel breastplate lies here gleaming in the light. [2]
A pair of black vambraces lie here, gleaming brightly.
A heavy pair of full metal gauntlets is here. [2]
A black shield lies here, consuming any light that touches it.
A curved tulwar is lying on the ground here.
A pair of black armor greaves lies here, highly polished. [2]
A pair of thick metal boots stand inflexibly upright. [2]
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.

* HP:Wounded MV:Full >

The sunrisegate closes quietly.
The sun casts a golden glow over the city.
(tic_timer): Starting tic timer.
(tic_timer): Exact aggro pulse

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse

Vala tells you 'it kept cutting all 3 of us off from the source and gave us all the overchannel
status'

* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse

Makarietta has been woven into the Pattern...


(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

Vala tells you 'none of us intentionally overchanneled'


(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse
* HP:Hurt MV:Fresh >

(tic_timer): Estimated aggro pulse

The day has begun.

[Elysia]

You have to return the mob to its homezone. E.g. if you take it from Tower ground floor/ garden, then ungrouping it there will ensure you retain your qps. Just like old timey mastermobs. Note: its zone of origin changes where it spawns after a boot/ crash. So if you crash in Blight, and mud comes back up with you and mob in Blight, Blight is now its homezone.

And yes, working with rank 7 and rank 8 mobs is fiddly, but there is no immediate fix for that. I always get rank 8 mob, issue rank 7 mob, return rank 8 mob to its origin zone, return rank 7 mob. I don't lose qps. Is it the most user friendly? No, but you can retain qps by following a specific order.

[Draz]

Yep that works - but I can't returnn to base a R7 mob and then relead an R8 mob (per recent discussions this isn't something that can be fixed).

So my query is - I thought we weren't meant to lose qp on R7 mobs in any situations now. (Or reason for posting it to bugs/hoping reimburse).

[Elysia]

Yep that works - but I can't returnn to base a R7 mob and then relead an R8 mob (per recent discussions this isn't something that can be fixed).

So my query is - I thought we weren't meant to lose qp on R7 mobs in any situations now. (Or reason for posting it to bugs/hoping reimburse).

You can lose qps on those, Feneon put a post somewhere, because some people keep struggling with this, while others never have issues (e.g. me).

A reminder on mastermobs:

If you are rank 8 there are 3 ways you can lose qps related to your rank 8 mob.

You lead it out of the zone that it spawned in, then ungroup it, and while you're offline it gets killed. (1qp loss)
You lead it outside of the zone that it spawned in, and while it is grouped, you rent somewhere else. (2qp loss)
You lead it outside of the zone that it spawned in, and someone kills it while you're online. (2qp loss)


If you order an issuable mob (at rank 7 or above) to follow you after it's lead is broken, and then you rent without returning that mob to the zone where it spawned, you will lose 2 qps.

We will not reimburse these quest points.