Iron mining impossible to learn

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Snakepit
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Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Snakepit » Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:39 am

Tried this multiple times, the possible quirk that may have lead to this bug is that I followed the "walkthrough" in the wiki which doesn't show the joining of the clan part in the walkthrough section, so initially I skipped the payment of the 160 crowns step. I am unsure if this is the source of the issue but I did go back and pay the fee, and get accepted, and then I went and trained again and still couldn't mine. Here's a high level sumary and then a log of the last attempt in full

- Acquired necessary items (pickaxe, gloves, lantern)
- Trained at miner and was told to bring back ore good luck
- Went to mining tunnels, tried to mine >20 times, nothing but 'You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!'
- Went to master paid fee, got accepted
- Weint to miner, repeated training
- Went to mining tunnels, tried to mine >20 times, nothing but 'You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!'
- Weint to miner, repeated training
- Went to mining tunnels, tried to mine >20 times, nothing but 'You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!'
- logged off, waited for reboot hoping that that would reset anything broken.
- log starts here
- Went to master paid fee, got accepted
- Weint to miner, repeated training
- Went to mining tunnels, tried to mine >20 times, nothing but 'You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!'

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Log session starting at 00:13:36 on Sunday, 13 August 2023.
* HP:Healthy MV:Full > 

A mirrored lantern begins to dim a little.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
get all.coins pouch
You get a wealth of gold crowns from a soft leather pouch.
You get three copper pennys from a soft leather pouch.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
give 160 crowns master
You give him 160 crowns.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

A grand master says 'Welcome as an apprentice to the smelting guild. Find the old miner in Baerlon.
He will teach you to mine and smelt. You can find mines northwest of Deven Ride, in the Braem wood, 
in Garen's Wall and in the Spine east of Cairhien.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

A grand master says 'Welcome as an apprentice to the woodworking guild. Find the sawmill in Altara,
or Amadicia and ask the lumberjacks there about woodworking.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

A grand master says 'Welcome as an apprentice to the leatherworking guild. Find the woman near the
lakeshore south of Rhahime Nialle or east of Lugard and ask her about leather.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

exa sack
It is a brown sack.
When you look inside, you see:
sack (carried) : 
a bubbling draught
a water skin
[2] a mirrored lantern
a fine pair of light, buckskin gloves 

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

A mirrored lantern is definitely fading.
You are hungry.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
eq
You are using:
<used as light>      a mirrored lantern
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on head>       a camouflaged hood 
<worn around neck>   a Kandori snowflake necklace 
<worn around neck>   a thin, black chain 
<worn on body>       a shadowy vest 
<worn about body>    a dark, hooded cloak 
<slung on back>      a backpack
<worn on arms>       a set of cloth sleeves 
<worn on hands>      a thick pair of leather work gloves 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn as shield>     a silver etched shield 
<wielded>            a sharp, red stone dagger 
<worn about waist>   a brightly-colored sash 
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on legs>       a pair of gray suede leggings 
<worn on feet>       a black pair of silver-tooled boots 

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
d
Blacksmith's Shop
Inside the blacksmith's shop are displayed a great many wares made of iron
and bronze. Here one can buy everything from pruning hooks to simple
swords and axes. One side of the shop is dominated by a huge chimney, with
a huge bellows mounted alongside, where the smith softens the iron and
bronze to work it. A large bench is laden with some of the tools of his
trade, and three quenching barrels stand nearby. The stairway at the back
of the room leads up into the blacksmith's private home.
[ obvious exits: N U ]
Zone: Tarendrelle at the Eldar
Door up: stairway
Up: A brown horse is here, nipping at a tuft of grass.
A stout wooden barrel stands nearby.
An oven stands here, radiating a dry heat.
A merchant guard eyes you warily, intent on keeping order.
A merchant guard eyes you warily, intent on keeping order.
The burly blacksmith stands by his forge busily at work.
A brown stallion has arrived from above.

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > 
n
Small Road through Village
Leaving the village square to the west, this small road branches off from the
main route, continuing eastward through the burgh. A comfortable inn beckons
you to the north, while on the south side of the road stands a building with
a huge chimney billowing dense smoke. A bronze plaque with etched letters is
nailed to the front door. East the road continues on through the village.
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: Tarendrelle at the Eldar
A brown stallion has arrived from the south.

* HP:Healthy MV:Full > 
rh
[ride horse]
A brown stallion stops following you.
You start riding him.

* R HP:Healthy MV:Full > 

------------<snip> spam to baerlon </snip>-------------


* HP:Healthy MV:Full > 
e
The sun rises.
Common Room
On first entering the inn, the noise of its patrons is nearly overwhelming.
A huge room filled with tables stretches before the door, and although this
is only one of the many inns in Baerlon, it is packed with people.
Occasionally a waitress can be seen threading her way through the crowd. A
fireplace on the far wall adds to the atmosphere.
[ obvious exits: N E W U ]
Zone: Baerlon
North: A raven is here flying around.
East: A cook busily prepares a savory dish in his kitchen.
West: A brown horse is here, nipping at a tuft of grass.
Up: Mopping his balding forehead, a rotund innkeeper tends his guests.
A slender woman flips a dagger from hand to hand.
A shapely young woman skillfully weaves amongst the chaos, taking orders.
An old miner is standing here, enjoying his retirement.
A bartender serves customers with a greedy smile.
A brown stallion has arrived from the west.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Callan narrates 'i lowish no chan'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

The ratter bellows 'Paying out for scalps of the shadow at East-West Road.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
eq
You are using:
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on head>       a camouflaged hood 
<worn around neck>   a Kandori snowflake necklace 
<worn around neck>   a thin, black chain 
<worn on body>       a shadowy vest 
<worn about body>    a dark, hooded cloak 
<slung on back>      a backpack
<worn on arms>       a set of cloth sleeves 
<worn on hands>      a thick pair of leather work gloves 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn as shield>     a silver etched shield 
<wielded>            a sharp, red stone dagger 
<worn about waist>   a brightly-colored sash 
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on legs>       a pair of gray suede leggings 
<worn on feet>       a black pair of silver-tooled boots 

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
rem dagger
You stop using a sharp, red stone dagger.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'not seeing him'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
wield axe
You wield a sharp pickaxe.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
hl
There doesn't seem to be a lantern in a backpack.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > Grab lantern? Who what where?

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'on spilt'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
cont sack
Now using sack
hl
You get a mirrored lantern from a brown sack.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > You hold a mirrored lantern above your head.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates '1e trees'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
say I want to learn to mine
You say 'I want to learn to mine'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates '1rd bashs :('

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'You wish to learn how to mine rocks eh?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'It is not something done easily, but I am willing to teach you.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'First thing you need is equipment though.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Do you have a pickaxe?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates 'see?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner studies you carefully.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'split'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Arjuna narrates 'split'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
An old miner nods in agreement.
An old miner says 'Very good.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
inv
You are carrying:
a sharp, red stone dagger 
seven gold crowns
three copper pennys
a brown sack

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Next thing you need is some very good lanterns.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Do you have any of those?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner studies you carefully.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
put all.coins pouch

An old miner nods in agreement.
An old miner says 'Alright.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > You put seven crowns in a soft leather pouch.
You put three coppers in a soft leather pouch.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'There is one more thing you should have before you can begin practicing mining.'
The master of scouts narrates 'Jestin was spotted A Winding Road'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates '2w'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'You will need a good pair of work gloves. You have a pair of those?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner studies you carefully.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner nods in agreement.
An old miner says 'Very good.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'You may ask me to PRACTICE MINING and I will show you how to do it.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
practice mining
What skill is that?!

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
ask miner practice mining
You ask an old miner 'practice mining'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'on'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'First I will show you how to hold the pickaxe.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner shows Ferrotus the proper position of his hands on the pickaxe.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Callan narrates 'bashed'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Now show me that same grip again Ferrotus. I'll tell you when I am satisfied with
it.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Alesso narrates 'i got choke'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Callan narrates 'crit'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'not past mt'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Finan narrates 'im blocking here'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
swing pickaxe
Ok.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

You swing the pickaxe and hammer it into the ground.
You emote: Ferrotus swings his pickaxe into the ground.
An old miner says 'Nope, that's not how I did it.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
swing pickaxe
Ok.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
You swing the pickaxe and hammer it into the ground.
You emote: Ferrotus swings his pickaxe into the ground.
An old miner says 'Very good Ferrotus. That's exactly how I did it.

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'You now know all you need to to mine your first pieces of iron ore.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Alesso narrates 'split e'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Now go out and find some veins of iron ore where you can begin mining.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Callan narrates 'split'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates 'who snagged my razor?'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 
An old miner says 'When you do, MINE IRON ORE.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Once you have some iron ore come back here.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'To prove you actually did get some iron ore SHOW it to me. I will then tell you
what you can do with it.'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 

An old miner says 'Good luck.'
Arjuna narrates 'horse is split'

* HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > 


-------------<snip> spam to mines </snip>--------------


* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh - a mine guard: Critical > 

You pierce a mine guard's body hard.
A mine guard is dead!  R.I.P.
Blood never gets boring, does it?
Your blood freezes as you hear a mine guard's death cry.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
gcc
[get all.coins corpse]
You get a gold crown from the corpse of a mine guard.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
rem dagger
You stop using a sharp, red stone dagger.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates 'callan could use some gears'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
wield axe
You wield a sharp pickaxe.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
eq
You are using:
<used as light>      a mirrored lantern
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on finger>     an emerald ring 
<worn on head>       a camouflaged hood 
<worn around neck>   a Kandori snowflake necklace 
<worn around neck>   a thin, black chain 
<worn on body>       a shadowy vest 
<worn about body>    a dark, hooded cloak 
<slung on back>      a backpack
<worn on arms>       a set of cloth sleeves 
<worn on hands>      a thick pair of leather work gloves 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn around wrist>  a silver Kandori wristcuff 
<worn as shield>     a silver etched shield 
<wielded>            a sharp pickaxe 
<worn about waist>   a brightly-colored sash 
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on belt>       a soft leather pouch
<worn on legs>       a pair of gray suede leggings 
<worn on feet>       a black pair of silver-tooled boots 

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Jaxon narrates 'whacker gatekeep'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Someone narrates 'whacker not in'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
inv
You are carrying:
a sharp, red stone dagger 
a gold crown
a hunk of beef
a brown sack

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Someone narrates 'oh nm'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
get lantern sack

Jaxon narrates 'ya'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > You get a mirrored lantern from a brown sack.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
inv
You are carrying:
a mirrored lantern
a sharp, red stone dagger 
a gold crown
a hunk of beef
a brown sack

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Jaxon narrates 'is sitting there for now'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
lo
A Damp Cavern
An old brick stairway leads up through a small tunnel. Water that has run
down the steep steps has pooled on the floor of dirt, causing your feet to
sink into the mud with each step. Green moss thrives on the damp rock walls
of this cavern. The cavern extends to the south.
[ obvious exits: S U ]
Zone: Mining Tunnels
The corpse of a mine guard is lying here. [2]
Veins of iron ore line the rocks here.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates 'who looted jestin?'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Jaxon narrates 'will go bash'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!
Jaxon narrates 'bashed at gate'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

Dornel narrates 'past 4n'

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!
You are hungry.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!
You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 

You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
mine iron ore
Ok.

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!
You swing your pickaxe but miss spectacularly!

* S HP:Scratched MV:Fresh > 
Log session ending at 00:40:31 on Sunday, 13 August 2023.

Snakepit
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Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Snakepit » Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:42 am

As a side note after this log I tried

- with only one lantern held (dropping second lantern)
- lantern held and lantern in inventory
- lantern held and lantern in sack
- lantern held, second lantern dropped
- both lanterns inventory (dark)
- only one lantern inventory (dark)
- gloves in inventory

I had previously tried pickaxe in inventory but that gives an error message and is clearly wrong.
The pickaxe cannot be held, only wielded.

Snakepit
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Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Snakepit » Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:56 am

Oh also this was my alt (Ferrotus) so don't inspect snakepit's records, that won't show you anything.

Elysia
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Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Elysia » Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:22 am

You have to be level 30 or 31 for mining, since so many people were using throwaway alts for it.

Snakepit
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Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Snakepit » Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:27 am

OMG someone update the wiki then! I wasted HOURS on this. (I probably could have made it to 30 in that time)

I'm beginning to think that the number one thing likely to cause folks to quit is inaccurate info on the wiki. Stats on eq are often wrong too. Both of these things cause people to invest time to find that the time was misspent. "talk to other players" clearly doesn't work because I had half a dozen folks trying to help me, Harker even tested out the iron vein for me and gave me coin to try again from the top.

Will I have to do the quest a third time 30/31? Or will it just magically start working.

Also is this level limit applicable to anything else?

Elysia
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Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Elysia » Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:01 pm

Imms don't update the wiki, players do. I think I put something on the wiki once.

I checked the relevant notes and once your level is good, you should be good to go.

There's probably level limits for a lot of things, tbh, but none of them spring to mind.

Snakepit
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Joined: Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:47 pm

Re: Iron mining impossible to learn

Post by Snakepit » Sun Aug 13, 2023 5:37 pm

Any rules against imms updating such things? Maybe Sinprejic (my imm) could make himself useful by researching this stuff and documenting it.

Another key idea would be to make the initial joining refuse and return the coins if the person is to low of a level.

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