Verne and Cera previously tested this weave (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=16475) and raised concerns that this weave does not in fact apply any lag. The post was marked as "EXPLAINED" but after testing it further tonight, and revisiting that thread, I am suspicious that something might still be wrong with the lag being applied, or may not applied consistently. Or, the lag is so small that it is insufficient to reliably affect the course of a channeler combat.
I have tried to use color coding to point out a few spots that are particularly suspicious in the sense that I entered my command for the next Slice before the first one began, so I got a perfect start, but Verne was also able to begin weaving on the exact same pulse.
We also tested the possibility that the lag is actually a 2-pulse delay that is an addition to whatever command or timer the target uses next. However, even when Verne perfectly started her next weave immediatley after being Sliced, the timer was identical.The Warders' Practice Yard
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
A flatbed wagon rocks back and forth on spoked wheels.
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently, being ridden by you.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby.
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.
Verne has arrived from the south, riding a gray palfrey.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
df
diagnose verne
Verne has quite a few wounds.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
Verne says 'i did not feel any delay in my weaving'
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
Verne says 'can we test that'
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
say Yes, but it's tricky with only 2 people
You say 'Yes, but it's tricky with only 2 people'
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
Verne sits down and rests.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Full >
say I tested it as an Accepted using 3
The clouds disappear.
(tic_timer): Tic length updated to: 60.453 seconds.
You say 'I tested it as an Accepted using 3'
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'it well let me see it if you just spam them as fast as i start weaving again'
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne stops resting, and clambers on her feet.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne connecting to the True Source.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Battered SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne connecting to the True Source.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
say You would weave, I would Slice, and then I would try to re-weave. And then a third would clap
or do some other mindless emote spam, so it was going on every pulse.
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You say 'You would weave, I would Slice, and then I would try to re-weave. And then a third would
clap or do some other mindless emote spam, so it was going on every pulse.'
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne leans closer. You feel a healing power flow from her hands.
You feel better!
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
Verne nods in agreement.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
say But if you can weave immediately as I do, then in theory that disproves the lag.
You say 'But if you can weave immediately as I do, then in theory that disproves the lag.'
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'yes i think a few attempts would show me '
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
rel
You aren't in touch with saidar to release anything.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
sc
You have 198(280) hit and 148(148) movement points.
You have scored 108690102 experience points and 1130 quest points.
You need 1727129261 exp to level and 1870 qp to rank.
You have amassed 325 Turn points to date.
You have played 25 days and 13 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Sarinda the Honored Sister [Red Ajah 7] (Level 51).
You are standing.
You are hungry.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
get meat wagon
You get a large slab of meat from a flatbed wagon.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
eat meat
You eat the meat.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
sc
You have 200(280) hit and 148(148) movement points.
You have scored 108690102 experience points and 1130 quest points.
You need 1727129261 exp to level and 1870 qp to rank.
You have amassed 325 Turn points to date.
You have played 25 days and 13 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Sarinda the Honored Sister [Red Ajah 7] (Level 51).
You are standing.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
sc
You have 200(280) hit and 148(148) movement points.
You have scored 108690102 experience points and 1130 quest points.
You need 1727129261 exp to level and 1870 qp to rank.
You have amassed 325 Turn points to date.
You have played 25 days and 13 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Sarinda the Honored Sister [Red Ajah 7] (Level 51).
You are standing.
* R HP:Wounded SP:Full MV:Fresh >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
sa Alright. So with the two of us, you start channeling a longer weave like Cure Serious or
something, and I will slice. And then we will both try to re-weave immediately after it lands.
Verne says 'mind trying real quick?'
You say 'Alright. So with the two of us, you start channeling a longer weave like Cure Serious or
something, and I will slice. And then we will both try to re-weave immediately after it lands.'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
cmw
change mood wimpy
A warhorse swishes the flies off its back with its tail.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh > Mood changed to: Wimpy
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
ta
First target is set as: verne
sta
You are already standing.
emb
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
You feel the flows of saidar coursing through your body.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne connecting to the True Source.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Bursting MV:Fresh >
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channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Full MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Full MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Full MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Full MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
You lost control of Saidar!
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne connecting to the True Source.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
There were no weaves to slice.
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=
Verne says 'yeah im not seeing any lag'
+**
Ok.
There were no weaves to slice.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
rel
Ok.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
say Hmm.
You say 'Hmm.'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
sa Unless I'm not getting it to work
You say 'Unless I'm not getting it to work'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
say Like if I'm too slow
You say 'Like if I'm too slow'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
say But I feel like several of those I was landing it just as it worked
You say 'But I feel like several of those I was landing it just as it worked'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
say Can we keep trying?
You say 'Can we keep trying?'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
emb
You feel the flows of saidar coursing through your body.
sc
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You have 242(280) hit, 90(163) saidar and 148(148) movement points.
You have scored 108690102 experience points and 1130 quest points.
You need 1727129261 exp to level and 1870 qp to rank.
You have amassed 325 Turn points to date.
You have played 25 days and 13 hours (real time).
This ranks you as Sarinda the Honored Sister [Red Ajah 7] (Level 51).
You are standing.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'i mean its not technically proof unless we had someone clapping but I have gotten pretty
good at watching for when theres lag'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'sure'
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne connecting to the True Source.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
Cancelled.
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Strong MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows... -- I think this is a 1 pulse delay, but could be due to human error.
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
You lost control of Saidar!
* R HP:Hurt SP:Good MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds! -=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Hurt SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
Cancelled.
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
You begin to weave the appropriate flows...
-=+**
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate
flows...
-=+*
r
channel 'slice weaves' h.verne*
Ok.
You lash out with razor-fine ribbons of Fire and Spirit, severing Verne's flows.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh > You begin to weave the appropriate
flows...
You sense Verne is channeling saidar. -- Again, I think this is a 1-pulse delay, but could be due to error on Verne's part.
-=+**
You can't summon enough energy to weave the flow.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
You sense Verne is channeling saidar.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
rel
Ok.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
say Tapped
You say 'Tapped'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'yeah i preempted that a few times'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'messed that up'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Trickling MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'so on those i was hitting the weave before i saw the slice go through'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
say I definitely need to practice the timing anyway, though, it's just fast enough that I was not
always taking advantage of it.
You say 'I definitely need to practice the timing anyway, though, it's just fast enough that I was
not always taking advantage of it.'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
sa If the lag is working, that should not make a difference and you should not be able to beat me
as long as I also re-weaved at the same rate.
You say 'If the lag is working, that should not make a difference and you should not be able to beat
me as long as I also re-weaved at the same rate.'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
Verne says 'except the first time i did it the same time or before you most each of them'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
say If anything, I almost feel like I am getting a tiny lag
You say 'If anything, I almost feel like I am getting a tiny lag'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
say I was not re-weaving as quickly, I am so used to Flame Strike timer that 2 pulses makes a huge
difference
You say 'I was not re-weaving as quickly, I am so used to Flame Strike timer that 2 pulses makes a
huge difference'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
say But you would think that if the lag was 2 pulses, then, the opposite should be true
You say 'But you would think that if the lag was 2 pulses, then, the opposite should be true'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
(tic_timer): Tic in 7 seconds!
say I would feel it more keenly
You say 'I would feel it more keenly'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Fading MV:Fresh >
A warhorse flickers its ears.
* R HP:Scratched SP:Good MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'i am 100% confident that there was not 2 pulses of lag'
* R HP:Scratched SP:Good MV:Fresh >
say Yeah, I see at least one round there where I re-weaved perfectly
You say 'Yeah, I see at least one round there where I re-weaved perfectly'
* R HP:Healthy SP:Good MV:Fresh >
say And you and I started at the same pulse
You say 'And you and I started at the same pulse'
* R HP:Healthy SP:Good MV:Fresh >
Verne says 'there is a tiny tiny chance that there was actually 1 round lag in that but i would
wager 2 silver tokens that there wasnt'
I am not trying to debate the merits of Slice Weaves and whether it's viable as it currently exists. I think it has a niche potential benefit when used sparingly in the average channeler versus channeler combat. Instead, our goal was to try and get definitive proof that the 2-pulse lag is not being applied consistently in a way purported to exist. I would very much love an Immortal to confirm whether this weave is working as intended, and for someone (Immortal or player) to share a log proving that it is working as intended. Thanks!