Accepted Robinn
Kathala Sedai
Accepted Marisue
Gaidin Ominas
Ashlynn Sedai
Chloro Sedai
Fyra Sedai
Vianca Sedai
Novice Hadley
Accepted Arelis
Tower Guard Kanae
Accepted Maddy (POV)
In the Classroom
A board of black slate hangs on the wall near the door, suggesting this room is used as a classroom. The room is plain and windowless and has enough place to seat thirty students. A dais with a desk sits at the front
of the room, where the Aes Sedai or Accepted teaching the class can sit.
[ obvious exits: W ]
Zone: White Tower Upper Floors
Door west: door
A young girl in a plain white dress stands here.
A haughty young woman strides by practicing Aes Sedai serenity.
Ashlynn has arrived from the west.
Ominas has arrived from the west.
Marisue has arrived from the west.
Ominas closes the door.
smile ominas
You smile at him.
You say 'Thank you Ominas'
Ominas nods in agreement.
Ominas says 'If danger comes, I will run away bravely'
Marisue quietly takes a seat near to the front.
Ominas does the opposite of Marisue.
Marisue plays with her ring idly, and watches as Ominas plays with a ring avidly.
Ominas rips his ring off his finger and throws it out the window.
frown ominas
What's bothering you?
The door is opened from the other side.
Kathala has arrived from the west.
Robinn has arrived from the west.
Robinn curtseys gracefully.
Kathala closes the door.
Marisue curtseys gracefully.
Kathala's face gains a chin as she smiles.
You say 'Are you in a bad mood today Ominas?'
Marisue sits down.
Kathala smiles encouragingly at Maddy and sits to the side.
Robinn smiles happily.
You smile happily.
Robinn pushes her glasses back up her nose before blowing a few errant strands of hair out of her face.
Ashlynn looks at Robinn.
smile robinn
You smile at her.
Robinn sits at a desk near the front, pulling a few quills as well as a vial of ink from her bag.
Kathala gives a plate of roast beef and jacket potatoes to Ominas.
The door is opened from the other side.
Chloro has arrived from the west.
Robinn stands long enough to pull Maddy in for a hug.
'How have you been Maddy?'
Chloro closes the door.
Kathala pats Ominas on the arm.
cur chloro
You curtsey before her.
Robinn curtseys before Chloro.
Chloro looks to Ominas and arches her left brow, before moving to a seat in the back with her sisters and pulling out knitting work.
smile chloro
You smile at her.
Kathala beams a smile at Chloro.
Robinn looks at you.
Robinn pokes Ominas in the ribs.
Ominas says 'sup?'
Kathala stops using a yew staff.
remove sword
You stop using a feathered Kandori paramerion.
Someone knocks on the door from the other side.
Robinn stops using a bladed feather staff.
The door is opened from the other side.
Fyra has arrived from the west.
Arelis has arrived from the west.
Arelis closes the door.
Robinn curtseys before Fyra.
Arelis curtseys gracefully.
Fyra moves to take a seat along the back wall.
Fyra nods in agreement.
Someone knocks on the door from the other side.
Arelis says 'Hello Chloro Sedai, Kathala Sedai '
open door
Ok.
Hadley has arrived from the west.
Hadley curtseys gracefully.
close door
Ok.
Fyra nods at Hadley.
Chloro says 'Good evening Accepted.'
smile hadley
You smile at her.
Arelis says 'Hello to everyone else also. '
Hadley says 'Good evening, my illustrious instructors and role models.'
Kathala's face gains a chin as she smiles.
Arelis takes a seat.
Fyra nods at Hadley.
Arelis smiles at you.
Maddy moves over to the window, stretching on her tippy toes, opens it a crack.
Chloro leans to the right showing Fyra Sedai a glimpse of the yellow/gold brocaded sweater she is currently knitting with hand-sewn periwinkles.
Marisue disappears into the void.
Marisue has returned.
Marisue clambers to her feet.
Arelis weaves a beautiful single thread of air and airs the room out.
You sense Arelis connecting to the True Source.
Fyra beams a smile at Chloro.
You say 'Kathala Sedai, I noticed you have removed your weapon, so I did as well. I have never been
told before, but is that classroom etiquette?'
Hadley stops using a ruby-worked rapier.
Hadley blinks her eyes innocently.
Hadley puts a ruby-worked rapier in a backpack.
Ominas catches Kathala's attention and shows her his lewd drawings he drew on the desk.
Arelis says 'ahhh I always walk around with my weapon sheath, I hope that is satisfactory Aes
Sedais.'
Chloro looks out flatly daring anyone to attempt to remove her sword from her..
Ashlynn disappears into the void.
Ashlynn has returned.
Hadley peeks over at Ominas' lewd drawings.
Fyra leans her staff against the wall.
Kathala says 'It used to be at some point.'
Robinn pokes Ominas, frowning at him. 'A bit reaching on the size, isn't it?'
Kathala says 'Until there were some attacks on classes.'
nod kathala
You nod at her.
Arelis says 'I remember removing it in the past in these type of scenarios.'
You say 'Ok we can start now.'
Hadley whispers to Robinn, 'reaching is exactly what would happen if I saw that size.'
Arelis says 'Ahhh, I remember a few of Drealord Mangler interruptions.'
Arelis coughs loudly.
Hadley starts to drool.
You say 'Please remove your weapon if you choose, and if you need, have a quick drink and snack if you need so you're not doing so during the class.'
Kathala glances at the drawing and whispers to Ominas 'It's a good thing you have other talents.'
Kathala gets a leather water flask from a small purse.
Ominas frowns.
Robinn gets a water skin from a backpack.
Robinn drinks water from a water skin.
Robinn puts a water skin in a backpack.
Ominas mutters, 'I did my best.'
Arelis chuckles politely.
Robinn gets a plate of yellow peppers and pork from a backpack.
Robinn eats a plate of yellow peppers and pork.
Arelis eats a plate of roast beef and jacket potatoes.
Kathala gets a leather water flask from a small purse.
Chloro pats Ominas on his head.
Arelis gets a leather water flask from an embroidered, cotton shoulder bag.
Arelis drinks water from a leather water flask.
Chloro says 'We know.'
Hadley says 'Men always say 'I did my best.' as though that alleviates some of the frustration.'
Ominas scrubs his hand against the wood, his calloused hands brushing the coal away.
Arelis puts a leather water flask in an embroidered, cotton shoulder bag.
Kathala drinks water from a leather water flask.
Kathala assumes a defensive striking posture.
You say 'Please do not fall asleep. I will do my best to move things along quickly and keep you engaged.'
Arelis wipes her mouth with a napkin.
You say 'Firstly thank you all for coming to my class, and the Aes Sedai who have been such a continued support to me, a special thanks for joining today.'
Chloro pulls a master locksmith puzzle from her purse and tosses it to Ominas.
Ominas cringes and falls backwards as the puzzle nails him in the face.
Fyra nods at you.
Maddy looks around to the class smiling, 'First I will give an outline of the class Structure.'
Kathala nods happily.
You say 'Part 1 Ascertain the students knowledge on the subject, '
You say 'Part 2 Theory of Ethics.'
You say 'Part 3 Examples of situations where one has to apply Ethics.'
You say 'Any questions on the outline.'
You nod in agreement.
Arelis shakes her head.
Ominas regains consciousness with a gasp and sits up, his hands immediately rubbing at a knot on his forehead.
Ominas says 'Will there be snacks? Kalthala gets hungry.'
[smile ominas]
You smile at him.
You sense Fyra connecting to the True Source.
Robinn shakes her head, light flashing off her glasses.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Fyra weaves her hands, creating a hearty meal in the process.
Fyra gives a strange fruit to Ominas.
Ominas gives a strange fruit to Kathala.
You say 'This class contains information on when to heal, when not to heal, when to call in the aid of a Wisdom.'
You say 'and what principles are involved in the Ethics of healing.'
You say 'We will finish with a few scenarios for you to apply your knowledge to.'
Arelis nods in understanding.
You say 'What do you think we mean with Ethics in healing?'
Kathala prepares one thread of Air and flicks Ominas on the rump with it.
Arelis raises her hand.
Hadley tilts her head twice toward Arelis' raised hand.
You say 'Yes Arelis.'
Arelis says 'When to Heal, who to heal, asking for consent before healing just to name a few, Maddy.'
You nod in agreement.
The door is opened from the other side.
Kanae has arrived from the west.
Kanae closes the door.
Kanae quietly enters the room, taking a seat somewhere far in the back.
Fyra looks at Kanae.
You say 'Yes. Most of you know the how, now to ensure you know the when/where.'
Arelis nods at you.
Fyra mutters something about guardsman coming in hurt.
You say 'We don't need to make Chloro Sedai's life harder especially when we are just trying to do
good.'
Hadley whispers something to Ominas.
Ominas nods at Hadley.
Kathala chuckles politely.
Hadley whispers something to Ominas.
Arelis chuckles politely.
You say 'Can any one give us an example'
The door is opened from the other side.
Vianca has arrived from the west.
Vianca sneaks in without a peep.
Vianca closes the door.
Ominas whispers something to Hadley.
cur vianca
You curtsey before her.
Marisue disappears into the void.
Marisue has returned.
Ashlynn looks at Vianca.
Ashlynn greets Vianca with a light kiss on her cheek.
Fyra beams a smile at Vianca.
Robinn curtseys before Vianca.
Kanae pats a chair next to her, grinning at Vianca.
Fyra greets Vianca with a light kiss on her cheek.
Vianca greets Ashlynn with a light kiss on her cheek.
Vianca greets Kathala with a light kiss on her cheek.
Maddy walks over and puts her hand on Hadley's shoulder and frowns at Ominas.
Arelis whispers to the girl sitting next to her:"You definitely do not want to make Chloro Sedai
upset"
Hadley whispers something to Ominas.
Arelis curtseys before Vianca.
Hadley blushes.
Vianca smiles happily.
Hadley wonders why she sat so close to a Gaidin.
smile hadley
You smile at her.
Arelis smiles widely at Vianca Sedai. Her imposing figure looking always ready for battle.
You say 'Ok I can give an example. Would you heal a Child of Light?'
Marisue blushes.
Hadley raises her hand.
Robinn raises her hand
Marisue raises her hand, glances around, and settles back in her chair.
Kathala steeples her fingers, trying to hide a smile.
You say 'Yes Hadley'
Marisue smiles happily.
smile robinn
You smile at her.
Hadley says 'Is he conscious?'
You say 'You tell me.'
Hadley says 'If not, no. What I know of them lets me assume he would not consent. If so, I could simply ask.'
You nod at her.
You say 'Good'
You say 'Robinn?'
Arelis raises her hand.
Robinn smiles. 'I was about to say the same as Hadley. I have nothing to add.'
You nod in agreement.
You say 'Marisue?'
Chloro looks about the room then wonders if anyone is going to ask the key question...
Hadley says 'Is he injured in the first place?'
nod hadley
You nod at her.
You say 'For this exercise lets say he is fighting Trolls in Fal Dara and comes in very injured.'
Hadley raises her hand.
Arelis raises her hand
You say 'Yes Hadley?’
Hadley says 'Then, no, I would not, because I am not allowed in Fal Dara as it is not on the island of Tar Valon.'
Chloro nods now that the line of questioning is on the right path.
smile hadley
You smile at her.
You say 'Good answer.'
Ashlynn looks at Hadley.
You say 'We will come back to Marisue, Arelis?'
Fyra disappears into the void.
Fyra has returned.
Kanae shifts her bulk in her chair, the metal edges of her armor clinking.
smile kanae
You smile at her.
Fyra looks at Kanae.
Arelis says 'I have a an answer to the previous question'
Arelis says 'But is a Children of the Light. There whole reason for existing is to rid the world of the power that we carry therefore, I would think they would choose death before allowing one of us to use the One Power on them. It will go against everything they stand for and would cause other Children to take that as an act of war which will require Chloro Sedai's intervention.'
You say 'Yes please'
Marisue blushes.
You say 'Yes good thinking'
You say 'Marisue?'
Marisue smiles happily.
Marisue says 'my personal experience has been that individual children will request healing or not, and it must come from them, not from a group leader.'
You say 'Do you mean only when they are alone?'
Marisue says 'I am comfortable assisting in those cases, where there is a threat from the dark,
otherwise I do not support them.'
nod marisue
You nod at her.
Marisue says 'no, I mean if they are unconscious or unresponsive, I would not use the power on
them.'
You say 'I have offered them vials before but never healing'
You nod in agreement.
Marisue nods in agreement.
Marisue says 'I have healed many times, often at the brink of death, usually just enough that they can carry on the fight.'
Robinn disappears into the void.
Robinn has returned.
Marisue says 'often its difficult as we are ungrouped.'
nod marisue
You nod at her.
Marisue says 'I've also been warned by some to never attempt to heal them, and that they will attack me if I do so.'
Marisue says 'the other answers were correct, I wanted to add this to round out personal observations.'
You say 'Chloro Sedai, do you have anything to add from the Gray Ajah perspective?'
Arelis says 'I would point them in the direction of the nearest Wisdom. I have seen many of my kind be slaughtered by them.'
nod arelis
You nod at her.
Chloro says 'The short answer, yes, possibly.'
Arelis mutter about the Children.
smile chloro
You smile at her.
You say 'Please continue Chloro Sedai.'
Fyra gets a mug from a small purse.
Fyra puts a mug in a small purse.
Arelis looks at Vianca.
Chloro says 'It would depend on the situation, has the gate been breached? Is there a safe place for them to recover? If there is not i would heal them just enough to keep them alive and bring them into the inner keep. '
You say 'Has anyone ever done that and has the Gray Ajah had to defend the decision?'
Marisue blushes.
Arelis awaits eagerly for the response.
Chloro says 'The Gray Ajah has had to defend many decisions yellow sisters have made, however, I
will leave that to my yellow sisters if they can recall.'
You nod in agreement.
Marisue thinks hard.
Marisue says 'may I ask'
nod marisue
You nod at her.
Fyra smirks.
Kathala says 'I believe the key situation that should be referenced here is Adaire and Relahd's.'
Vianca disappears into the void.
Vianca has returned.
Kathala says 'As one knows, the Blues believe in doing what must be done and Adaire Sedai came upon a dying Relahd. She bonded him against his will, in order to grant him extra strength.'
You nod in agreement.
Kathala says 'He lived, but he was unhappy with this.'
Arelis gasps in astonishment.
Chloro nods confirming the facts.
Kathala says 'The Hall punished Adaire Sedai for this.'
You say 'Oh dear.'
Kathala says 'I believe Relahd eventually took his own life.'
You say 'Not the best outcome for just trying to do good.'
Arelis raises her eyebrows.
Maddy moves to the front of the class. 'Moving on to part 2’
Marisue says 'I understand internally, we have our own policies that we follow, and this includes having consideration of the individual's preference for healing or not. And I understand the Gray Ajah diplomatically representing the White Tower, and the above example is a strong example of this. However, can I ask why the Gray Ajah feel the need to defend accusations from the Children?'
Marisue says 'ah sorry, shelve that.'
nod marisue
You nod at her.
You say 'Autonomy - the patient has the right to refuse or choose their treatment.'
Chloro thinks a moment then looks to Accepted Maddy.
Hadley says 'Wouldn't the Yellow Ajah's necessitating the Gray Ajah's defense of accusations by the
Children of the Light sounds like a White Ajah quiz.'
You say 'Beneficence - a Healer should act in the best interest of the patient.'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Non-maleficence - "first, do no harm"'
You say 'Justice - concerns the distribution of scarce health resources, and the decision of who gets what treatment (fairness and equality).'
Chloro says 'That question is tricky and may require a private lesson. However, the Tower has stood for 3000 years as the outside world views the Ajahs as unified. To damage that is to damage the tower.'
You say 'Dignity - the patient (and the Healer) have the right to dignity.'
You say 'Truthfulness and honesty - the concept of informed consent.'
You say 'Does anyone not understand these, or like to elaborate on them?'
Arelis shakes her head.
You say 'or like to give an example of when they would fit.'
You nod in agreement.
Arelis says 'I would say'
Fyra disappears into the void.
Fyra has returned.
Arelis says 'If a group battling Trollocs in Fal Dara comes in, you would ask if they would like some assistance with their wounds before doing anything'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Yes Robinn'
Robinn says 'In reference to Beneficence, and directly to the current posited situation, using Adaire Sedai and Relahd, it would have been better to leave him than Heal him given the outcome. Less potential loss of life overall.'
nod robinn
You nod at her.
Marisue thinks hard.
You say 'I would also like to add to Arelis' comment'
Marisue says 'just a thought.'
Marisue nods at you.
You say 'I do not ask all every time. If I have healed them before I will not ask again.'
You say 'Yes Marisue'
Kathala nods at you.
Arelis says 'Ahh, implied consent from prior xperience.'
Arelis nods at you.
Marisue says 'I've seen several occasions where an Aes Sedai chooses to instead conserve her strength to battle the oncoming horde. Its not necessarily a choose to ask to heal and wait and do nothing, an offer can be made..or not, and the Aes Sedai still turns the battle, or saves those in danger.'
You nod in agreement.
Marisue says 'I also believe I've seen Maddy specifically check with people that a consent will be
ongoing, rather than just assuming implied consent..'
Marisue blushes.
You say 'Yes, Vianca Sedai would be an excellent example.'
Chloro eats a large slab of meat.
Chloro drinks water from a water skin.
Hadley says 'Of bashing?'
You say 'Hahaha, yes Hadley, that too.'
Kanae hmms to herself, taking some notes as the class proceeds.
You emote: Maddy walks around the class, smiling.'To elaborate further, let's talk about Triage.'
You say 'Triage, deciding who needs your aid the most is a vital part of decision making when it comes to healing.'
You say 'With some experience it is easy to diagnose and decide who needs medical attention the most.'
You say 'However, you can not just base your decision on who to heal simply by letting yourself be guided by the severity of the injuries.'
You say 'There are several ethical considerations involved with healing. I will explore these six values in depth.'
Arelis nods at you.
You emote: Maddy walking past Ominas she pats on the shoulder as she watches him sleep.
You say 'Autonomy'
You say 'Autonomy involves the right of a patient to make decisions about their health and treatment.'
You say 'The patient may also refuse treatment.'
You say 'Autonomy is the basis for informed consent, the idea that the patient must be fully informed about the potential risks and benefits of the treatment'
You say 'Because of the relation between autonomy and informed consent, one can use the ability of a
patient to make decisions about their health to gauge their health.'
You say 'Many illnesses and injuries cause a loss of autonomy, or impair the patient's judgement'
Arelis nods in agreement.
You say 'Should this be the case, and the patient has left no directives on what they want should they not be able to make decisions, the Healer may make the decision.'
You say 'For example, a king who has dragged himself through the gates poisoned and in awful condition, still has autonomy.'
You say 'A soldier who has become mortally wounded in battle however, no longer has autonomy.'
Hadley says 'Oh, so like, if I ask a potential patient if I can heal them, and they say "purple" they may not have the ability to make that decision.'
Kanae disappears into the void.
Kanae has returned.
Arelis chuckles politely.
nod hadley
You nod at her.
Fyra raises her hand.
You say 'Exactly '
grin hadley
You grin at her.
Ominas raises his hand.
You say 'Yes Ominas.'
Robinn disappears into the void.
Robinn has returned.
Fyra arches an eyebrow.
Ominas stands up and looks around, 'It is never ok to hit a girl, unless she asks to be hit.'
Ominas holds his hand out palm up.
Ominas says 'Treat please.'
Ashlynn strokes her chin thoughtfully.
You sense Fyra connecting to the True Source.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Arelis chuckles politely.
Fyra weaves her hands, creating a hearty meal in the process.
Fyra gives a strange fruit to Ominas.
Arelis giggles.
Ominas munches on his fruit happily.
Hadley says 'A "girl"?'
Fyra raises her hand again.
Maddy looks at Kathala Sedai and shakes her head.
Hadley says 'What lawless lands have you been traveling in?'
Kanae thinks hard.
Kanae looks at Ominas.
Kanae thinks hard.
Kathala shrugs her shoulders slightly.
Ominas eats a strange fruit.
You say 'Ominas are you saying one of us would ask to be hit?'
Kanae mutters to herself incredulously, "The Gaidin get **treats**??? **I** want treats.""
Ominas mutters, 'good fruit.'
You sense Fyra connecting to the True Source.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Fyra weaves her hands, creating a hearty meal in the process.
Robinn mutters about Gaidin keeping their bedroom activities to themselves.
Fyra gives a strange fruit to Kanae.
Kanae gasps in astonishment.
Kanae thanks Fyra heartily.
nod robinn
You nod at her.
You say 'Fyra Sedai?'
Hadley says 'While a woman may ask to be hit and the man she asks may be so inclined, I don't believe that is relevant to Healing as a weave.'
Fyra says 'I have a question regarding your opinion on an autonomy related hypothetical.'
You say 'Yes please go ahead.'
Fyra says 'If delving or healing was necessary to protect the innocent, would you do it without
their consent? For example, let's say a man is suspected of being a channeler who has started to go
mad. Would you delve him against his will to establish the extent of his mental illness?'
Arelis looks interested in the question asked waiting for an answer.
You say 'I would not do anything with a suspected Male Channeler without talking to a Red Sister. I would guess to myself that that would be acceptable for them to do.'
You say 'Or ask us to help with.'
Fyra says 'And if none were readily available?'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'If he were conscious he would be a threat.'
Chloro smirks.
You say 'Yes Robinn?'
Fyra whispers something to Chloro.
Hadley says 'Sounds like less of an ethics of healing problem than an ethics of throwing a brick problem.'
smile hadley
You smile at her.
Robinn says 'Given the hypothetical, while it is unethical to do so against his will, allowing him
to continue on as he is, potentially harming a great many, is more so. It seems a situation of "the
one for the many", in that you may be forced into a situation of violation one person's autonomy to
preserve the lives of many.'
Fyra listens carefully to Robinn's answer.
You say 'Yes but could not the same apply to a different type of threat, Fade Dreadlord or Trolloc.'
Hadley says 'I believe we're straying into White Ajah territory again.'
smile Hadley
You smile at her.
Hadley says 'How far along can one take a line of reasoning before it becomes a logic problem?'
Ominas murmurs, 'birds have two feet, but four limbs.'
You emote: Maddy grins at Hadley, ' Yes true.'
Hadley says 'Birds don't have forelimbs.'
Ominas looks at Fyra.
Ominas holds his hand out palm up.
Ominas says 'Treat please.'
roll ominas
You look at him and roll your eyes.
Arelis says softly:"If I may interject and ask for a bit of clarification."
You nod in agreement.
smile arelis
You smile at her.
Fyra whispers something to Ominas.
Fyra smirks.
Ominas frowns.
Ominas crosses his arms.
Arelis says 'Does Healing and the saving of a life supersedes all else for a Yellow?'
Vianca flicks Ominas' earlobe.
Kanae shares her treasured snack.
Kanae gives a strange fruit to Ominas.
Ominas beams a smile at Kanae.
Ominas eats a strange fruit.
Fyra shakes her head.
You say 'If you're asking me I would say no.'
You emote: Maddy looks to the Yellow Sedai at the back of the room.
Arelis says 'because then that brings an interesting conundrum that you mentioned'
Arelis says 'what about then the life of a Trolloc, Drealord, etc'
Fyra looks on impassively.
Hadley says 'Now you're getting into semantics.'
Hadley says 'And leading this lesson astray.'
Robinn glances askance at Arelis.
You say 'They are a threat I would not delve or heal them.'
Arelis says 'It is a question I was pondering since we started on the subject. '
Arelis looks at Hadley with a smirk.
nod arelis
You nod at her.
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'Ok moving on to Benefice'
Hadley says 'Because we said "life" and not "life of a human", we are not then going to apply the same rules to a dog, a bear, a trolloc, or mythical creatures.'
Kathala says 'Remember, the Tower's mission is to combat the Shadow. The Ajahs merely focus on
different ways to achieve this.'
nod kathala
You nod at her.
You say 'Beneficence refers to the idea that a Healer should always have the best interests of the patient in mind, and should act accordingly.'
Kathala gestures towards Vianca and Chloro.
Robinn nods at Kathala, pushing her glasses back as she finishes.
You say 'Should the patience no longer have autonomy, the Healer can fall back on beneficence to direct their actions.'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'However, since there are no absolutes in what is in the best interest of the patient, this depends on the best judgement of the Healer.'
nod Robinn
You nod at her.
Arelis says 'But if the Human is a Male Channeler gone mad or a Children or a Trolloc they all live to kill us. But I understand the concept as whole just those curiosities that suddenly arose.'
Chloro drinks water from a water skin.
Arelis says 'ok you can move on. thank you maddy '
You sense Fyra connecting to the True Source.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Fyra fails to pull together whatever flows she was trying to weave.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Fyra fails to pull together whatever flows she was trying to weave.
You nod in agreement.
You sense Fyra is channeling saidar.
Fyra weaves her hands, creating a hearty meal in the process.
Fyra eats a strange fruit.
Hadley says 'Now that you have Accepted Arelis' permission, please continue your lesson Accepted
Maddy.'
Fyra gets a mug from a small purse.
You say 'In the example of the king who enters the gates poisoned and in awful condition, the Healer
can elect to remove poison first, or use one of the healing weaves.'
Robinn says 'In the hypothetical Fyra Sedai presented, would the madness induced by Saidin constitute
a loss of autonomy?'
Chloro looks to Maddy and holds up to fingers stopping the Accepted.
Arelis smirks.
Fyra looks into her empty mug and frowns, feeling thirsty.
nod Chloro
You nod at her.
Fyra puts a mug in a small purse.
Kanae opens the door.
Kanae leaves west. <<
The door closes quietly.
Arelis sit back down glancing at hadley slightly.
Chloro says 'Novice Hadley, if you are unable to be civil and keep comment to yourself in a classroom, you can spend the rest of this class is Sheriam Sedai's office. '
Ominas gets a water skin from a belt pack.
Ominas gives a water skin to Fyra.
Fyra beams a smile at Ominas.
Chloro says 'Please continue Accepted, it is getting late and some of the Gaidin have not been feed.'
Chloro chuckles politely.
You nod in agreement.
Fyra drinks water from a water skin.
Fyra drinks water from a water skin.
The door is opened from the other side.
Kanae has arrived from the west.
Kanae closes the door.
Fyra gives a water skin to Ominas.
You say 'Both weaves have the patient's best interest in mind.'
Hadley sits quietly.
Kanae discreetly hands Fyra a water skin.
Kanae gives a water skin to Fyra.
Vianca says 'Is that what that grumble is?'
Fyra smiles happily.
Vianca looks at Ominas.
Hadley remains quiet.
You say 'The Healer may elect to use a swift cure light wounds to prevent him dying from his wounds in short order, or a longer but more effective cure serious wounds.'
Hadley focuses intently on Maddy's words.
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Both are in the best interest of the patient, but they have different benefits.'
nod robinn
You nod at her.
Robinn says 'We no longer use Cure Serious Wounds, Maddy.'
Vianca slides Ominas a slice of stag jerky.
You say 'Yes you're correct, that has been replaced with delve and heal.'
Ashlynn says 'I believe Maddy is teaching the class, Accepted. Please keep the interruptions to a
minimum.'
Ashlynn says 'I think we all know that knowledge was lost and replaced with a stronger healing.'
You nod in agreement.
Robinn mutters to herself about being needlessly specific once more, and apologizes.
smile robinn
You smile at her.
You say 'Non-maleficence:'
You say '"First, do no harm." Non-maleficence is the idea that perhaps more importantly than healing
a patient, the Healer does nothing that may harm the patient, even if the intention may be to do good or heal.'
You say 'However, realistically even tried and tested weaves may indirectly cause harm.'
You say 'healing draws on the patient's strength and theoretically, healing may deplete the patient's strength.'
Kathala nods emphatically.
You say 'In grave situations, where there are no alternatives, it may be justified to attempt a risky treatment.'
You say 'The concept of non-maleficence is continuously involved in a struggle with autonomy and
beneficence.'
You say 'For example, an autonomous patient may refuse treatment that would improve their condition,
or prevent their condition from getting worse.'
Arelis disappears into the void.
Arelis has returned.
You say 'In the example of the king who is in awful condition, you may have experimented with a new
healing weave, but you are not sure of any risks associated with the weave.'
You say 'In that case, there is the potential of doing harm, and you should not use that weave, but
instead rely on well-known and tried weaves.'
Chloro makes note of the day-dreaming accepted she her knitting needles rhythmically click away.
You say 'In the example of the stunned soldier, carrying them to safety may do more harm than good, which goes against the concept of non-maleficence'
You say 'However, if the soldier lies under a wall that may topple any minute, it may be best to move them despite the risks.'
Arelis feels an Icy glare and straightens herself quickly at her desk.
You say 'Any questions on this?'
Arelis says 'No Accepted. '
Robinn shakes her head.
You say 'Justice:'
Hadley opens her mouth to speak, closes it, and merely shakes her head.
Vianca peers closely at Hadley, trying to figure her out.
You say 'The idea of justice involves fairly distributing the limited resources of Healers.'
Ominas disappears into the void.
You say 'In our case, this will usually pertain to how we choose to use our spell points, or even the location we choose.'
Ominas has returned.
Vianca flicks Ominas' earlobe.
You say 'No matter if a person is a king or a pauper, a wealthy merchant or a farmgirl, they have an equal right to being healed.'
Kanae nods at Vianca.
You say 'The pauper may turn out to be a ta'veren, while the king may lead his army to its death.'
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'The farmgirl may end up a formidable Wisdom that will lead her village with supreme skill, while the merchant may end up impoverished on the streets by some bad decisions.'
You say 'No matter a person's standing, the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and it is not up to us
to only serve the rich and influential while neglecting the poor hard workers.'
Kathala gives Ominas a flat stare and says 'Or to circle back to Ominas' proclivities, asking to be hit does not give you the right to be hit. The other person has the right to decline.'
You say 'No matter a person's standing, the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and it is not up to us
to only serve the rich and influential while neglecting the poor hard workers.'
Fyra nods at you.
nod kathala
You nod at her.
You say 'A thousand farmers providing food could be more important during a famine than one Lady in
a palace.'
You say 'Aes Sedai means Servants of All, and indeed we serve the world, not just ourselves, our friends, our allies or rulers.'
You say 'Everyone plays their part, and everyone is of import.'
Arelis nods at you.
Vianca nods at you.
You say 'However, while everyone has a right to being healed, we must be careful not to meddle in
conflicts.'
You say 'A Healer interfering in a battle between a Companion and a Defender would create an
imbalance and give the appearance of taking sides.'
You say 'If the king drags himself through the gate, while the soldier is about to be crushed by the falling wall, both have a right to your aid.'
You say 'The king is not inherently better or more important than the soldier.'
Robinn nods at you.
You say 'The king is not inherently better or more important than the soldier.'
You say 'One could justify healing either first.'
You say 'The soldier because he is more badly wounded and in immediate danger, the king because he may be an efficient leader in battle whose presence on the field could turn the battle.'
You say 'The king may feel spurned if he were not healed first, which could influence relations
between the king's nation and the Tower.'
You say 'However, life is more important than someone's ego, and one should heal the most badly
injured first.'
You say 'In such cases, it may be wise to clarify the reasoning behind the choice to heal the soldier first, with the aim to prevent any bad blood arising between the king and the Tower.'
Arelis nods at you.
Robinn nods at you.
Maddy taps her chin.' Having said that, out in the field with Vianca Sedai, I have healed her first in some situations. I know she can also heal, but no one else can heal her. So I will heal her as she looks to the others.’
You say 'Does anyone have anything to add to that?'
Arelis shakes her head.
Fyra disappears into the void.
Hadley looks quietly on.
Fyra has returned.
You emote: Maddy shivers and moves to the window, stretching up she closes it with a thunk.
You say 'Oh next is Dignity.'
You say 'Both the patient and the Healer have a right to dignity.'
You say 'With regards to the patient this means that we cannot impose our will upon the patient, especially if they have autonomy.'
You say 'We must, I repeat, must ask for permission prior to channeling upon anyone.'
Arelis nods in agreement.
You say 'If a patient is so suspicious of the One Power that they refuse being healed, that is that, even if that means they will die.'
Arelis takes notes on her paper.
You say 'Healing someone without their permission violates the sanctity of the body as much as rape
would do.'
You say 'Should one encounter such a case, you can suggest using herbs or calling a Wisdom.'
You say 'The Healer also has a right to dignity. We may refuse to heal someone, provided we have
good reason to.'
You say 'Petty reasons like not liking someone is not a good reason'
You say 'If someone is merely scratched and demands healing, we may decline if we feel the critical patient requires our aid more.'
You say 'If someone is rude, aggressive or a potential danger, we may decline healing. Also, those who are warranted by Tar Valon can be refused.'
Chloro drinks water from a water skin.
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'If the king turns out to be Ailron of Amadicia, and he refuses healing then you should leave it at that'
You say 'Even if his presence on the field of battle can turn the tide, his autonomy, dignity and his free will are to be respected.'
Robinn disappears into the void.
Robinn has returned.
Hadley coughs loudly.
Hadley gets a water skin from a backpack.
Hadley drinks water from a water skin.
You say 'The mortally wounded soldier also has a right to dignity, but since he has no autonomy you have only three options: rely on past experiences regarding the wishes of this man and heal or refrain from healing based on those, make your best decision since he has no autonomy, or respect his dignity and not violate the sanctity of the body and not act, even if this means he may die.'
You say 'It will obviously depend on your knowledge of the person which situation may apply'
You get a brass lantern from a backpack.
You give a brass lantern to Ominas.
You say 'Next up is Truthfulness and Honesty:'
A brass lantern held by Ominas is about to go out!
You say 'This idea is related to informed consent, which means that the Healer must inform the patient fully about all the potential benefits of the healing, as well as the possible risks of the Treatment.
You say ‘The Healer must be truthful and honest, and not lie to their patient.'
Vianca asks you 'Excuse me one moment'
Vianca opens the door.
Vianca leaves west. <<
The door closes quietly.
Hadley raises her hand.
You say 'Keeping information from the patient will influence their judgement, and negatively impact
their feeling of dignity once they find out.'
You say 'King Ailron is in awful condition, and he refuses healing based on his convictions.'
You say 'You can still attempt to persuade him by listing the benefits of the healing weave, but you must include the possible negatives.'
You say 'The mortally wounded soldier also has a right to truthfulness and honesty, however he is unconscious and has no autonomy.'
Hadley lowers her hand.
smile hadley
You smile at her.
Kanae nudges the discarded lantern under Ominas' chair rather than in the middle of the floor.
You say 'One more, then you can speak.'
You say 'If you decide to heal him, it may be best to only provide limited healing until he regains
consciousness, then inform him about the risks and benefits of the treatment.'
You say 'ok Hadley'
Hadley says 'My apologies, Accepted Maddy, I don't mean to interrupt your lesson in any way, but would not lying already be unacceptable for someone of the White Tower?'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Yes of course.
You say 'Yes Robinn?'
Robinn says 'I think in this situation, Accepted Maddy is referring to not omitting facts, rather than outright lies, Novice Hadley.'
nod Robinn
You nod at her.
Fyra whispers to you, 'I have to go. Thanks for the class, and catch you later.'
smile fyra
You smile at her.
You say 'OK lastly is the Scenerios.'
You say 'A Lancer you met in Fal Dara asked you for Armor. Later, as you are doing battle in the Blight, you hear the man's cries for help.'
Robinn raises her hand.
Fyra opens the door.
You say 'As you arrive on the spot, he loses consciousness. Do you heal him even if he has not given consent?'
Fyra leaves west. <<
The door closes quietly.
Hadley nods in agreement.
You say 'Yes Robinn'
Arelis nods in agreement.
Robinn says 'I would first assess risk. Is he in a safe location? If so, I would stabilize him and seek a Wisdom to help him regain enough sense to consent or decline healing. If not, I would heal first and beg forgiveness later as healing would allow him to be moved to safety.'
You nod at her.
You say 'Myself I would gauge his ask of armor or strength as his assent to weaving.'
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'Next..say You come across a battle between a Winged Guard and a Defender.'
You say 'The Winged Guard is badly wounded and asks for healing.'
You say 'The White Tower has recently had some problems with Mayene and healing the Winged Guard
could put the Tower in a better light.'
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'Do you heal the Winged Guard, or not?'
Arelis says 'I would'
Chloro homes someone asks the correct follow up question.
Chloro sighs and continues knitting
Kanae raises her hand, hoping she's allowed to ask a question.
You say 'Yes Kanae'
Kanae says 'Is the Defender unconscious or dead?'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Let's assume for this example that the battle is active and both are hurt.'
Kanae nods in agreement.
You say 'Robinn?'
Robinn says 'Did the Defender remain there or have they departed, and where did the battle take place, as that can also affect the situation.'
You say 'Do any of those scenarios affect your decision?'
Hadley nods in agreement.
Robinn nods pensively.
Arelis nods in agreement.
Ominas disappears into the void.
You say 'I would not get involved myself unless it was life or death . We do not want to appear we are taking sides.'
Robinn says 'If we are in Tear, they have laws against channeling.'
Kathala nods emphatically.
Ominas has returned.
You say 'Chloro Sedai how would the Gray Ajah have us deal with this.'
nod robinn
You nod at her.
Kathala weaves one thread of Air and flicks Ominas' rump.
You say 'Yes that too.'
Hadley says 'And if we are in Mayene, we would need to consider the Tower's stance on Mayene's
sovereignty, in relation to Tairen aggression.'
Chloro says 'You would first need to answer the questions posed. Where is this battle taking place?'
You emote: Maddy smiles at Kathala Sedai, ' He will have bruises there later.'
Kathala chuckles politely.
Kathala glances at Ominas.
You say 'Lets say it's Haddon Mirk, or Illian. Neutral ground.'
Chloro says 'Are you traveling alone or with another sister?'
You say 'You are alone.'
Chloro thinks a moment and looks to Kathala before giving a soft sigh and answering.
Kanae disappears into the void.
Kanae has returned.
Chloro says 'The healing weave is not the only form of healing child. I would form a wall of air between the two combatants blocking one from the other and allowing both to retreat, lick their woulds, and live to fight another day. '
Kathala arches an eyebrow.
nod chloro
You nod at her.
You say 'Ok thank you Chloro Sedai.'
You say 'Next is, say Fal Dara is besieged by a large force of trollocs, and it could fall.'
Hadley raises her hand.
Arelis nods at Chloro.
You say 'Hadley we are running out of time. Can we take this up after class please.'
You say 'There are many wounded, some severely, some slightly.'
You say 'It will be impossible toheal all of them.'
You say 'Do you heal the badly injured so they can help, weakened as they will be, or will you heal
the strong, so that they may defend the city and the injured in it?'
Robinn raises her hand.
You say 'Yes Robinn'
Marisue disappears into the void.
Robinn says 'I would first get consent from all involved. If the badly injured consent but the slightly injured decline, it makes my choices simple. If all consent, then I use cure light wounds to bring the lightly wounded to functional, and stabilize the severely wounded as best I can until reinforcements can arrive to aid in healing.'
You say 'good answer Robinn'
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Arelis beams a smile at Robinn.
Ashlynn glares at Arelis.
Arelis says 'my apologies'
Arelis says 'occ key got stuck'
You say 'Do you heal the badly injured so they can help, weakened as they will be, or will you heal
the strong, so that they may defend the city and the injured in it?'
You nod.
You say, ‘Suppose you healed the young woman, and she tells a story of how she was molested by a Tairen Lord.
You say 'You ride south to the city of Tear, and find that the Lord has fallen ill.'
You say 'Given the situation and the laws of Tear, do you heal the man, or not?'
smile Arelis
You smile at her.
Arelis raises her hand
You say 'yes Arelis'
Arelis says 'I would Accepted'
nod arelis
You nod at her.
Arelis says 'Just taking everything into account'
Arelis says 'I believe I would heal and save the life of the patient'
You say 'Does anyone have any other scenarios they would like to discuss?'
Arelis shakes her head.
Chloro un-casts her Knitting needles and beings packing the sweater up.
Kathala says 'I would like to pose something about the Winged Guard vs Defender scenario.'
You say 'Yes please Kathala Sedai.'
Kathala says 'I would think preventing the death of the Winged Guard would greatly upset Tear.'
You nod at her.
Hadley raises her hand.
You say 'Yes Hadley'
Kathala says 'In this case, I would let the chips fall as they may and if one were politically inclined, contact the respective nations about what happened. How you could have prevented the death of the Winged Guard to Tear, but respected their customs.'
Hadley says 'Is there not a treaty between Mayene and the White Tower?'
nod kathala
You nod at her.
Kathala says 'How you regret not being able to interfere, but offer aid to Mayene in a more circumspect way, instead.'
Ashlynn says 'I think that's a question outside of the scope of this class, if you are interested I am sure Chloro Sedai would be happy to share that info with you afterward Hadley.'
Kathala says 'Neither battle nor healing happens in isolation.'
Arelis pays attention intensely.
You say 'Yes...having said that we must remember when we are out of the Tower, we are representing
all of the Tower.'
Arelis nods at you.
You say 'Are there any other questions'
Maddy smiles brightly at the class as she moves back to the front.
Arelis says 'I have none'
You say 'Thank you all for attending. This concludes the lesson.'
Ominas claps approvingly.
Hadley stands up.
Arelis says 'Thank you Maddy'
Hadley curtseys gracefully.
Arelis stands up
Ominas says 'Great class Maddy'
Hadley says 'Thank you, Accepted Maddy for this instruction.'
Ominas says 'Reminded me of the old days.'
You say 'That concludes the lesson.'
Chloro says 'Thank you for Sharing your knowledge Accepted.'
Ashlynn strokes her chin thoughtfully.
Kathala's face gains a chin as she smiles.
Arelis says 'It was a great class with very interesting discussions.'
Kanae stands from her chair, clapping her hands in approval of the class.
Arelis smiles at you.
Robinn disappears into the void.
Robinn has returned.
Arelis curtseys gracefully.
You say 'I think this is something we can take back to the rooms and discuss later in a less formal
way too.'
Ominas says 'I think one of the main take aways, for everyone, is don't hit women unless they ask
you to.'
Ominas looks around at everyone and nods before turning to leave.
Arelis giggles.
Ominas opens the door.
Ominas leaves west. <<
Kathala leaves west. <<
Arelis curtseys gracefully.
Arelis says 'Good night all.'
Kathala has arrived from the west.
Kanae waves.
The door closes quietly.
Kathala says 'Don't lead them out of rooms either.'
Kanae says 'It is time for me to do some rounds.'
Arelis curtseys before Ashlynn.
Kanae says 'Thank you for allowing me to attend.'
Arelis curtseys before Chloro.
Kanae opens the door.
Kanae leaves west. <<
Chloro leaves west. <<
The door closes quietly.
Arelis curtseys before Kathala.
Arelis says 'odw'
Ashlynn opens the door.