Draz with Sarai RE: Stabbers

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Draz with Sarai RE: Stabbers

Post by Millana » Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:17 am

Gaidin Draz teaches a lesson on dealing with stabbers, with assistance from Accepted Sarai.
Major Part: Gaidin Draz
Major Part: Accepted Sarai
Minor Part Students/Observers:
Alvana Sedai
Etain Sedai
Relena Sedai
Accepted Drusa
Novice Kilandria
Novice Millana
Sunshine
Poppy
(Please let me know if I missed any)



Draz says 'id typically ask that we dont have a /ton/ of excess crap going on, and prefer to avoid
idling etc etc too'

Draz tastes a little bit of a plate of yellow peppers and pork.

Drusa nods in agreement.

Draz says 'we can go into details and calcs and semantics, but im going to start this basic, and
feel free to dress any level of RP you like'

Draz says 'also, this class is taught from an inredibly specific viewpoint, and that is that your
only real way to stay safe, outside of clan rooms, is to actively take responsibility for your own
safety at all times, its.. its honestly not actually correct, there are plenty of other methods'

Draz says 'but from the viewpoint as a general standpoint that we have 10-20+ fcs being murdered in
the tower and without every day, I think its the only reasonable one I can deliver, as it presents
the highest chances of keeping you all safe'

Sarai has arrived from the south.

Sarai curtseys gracefully.

Draz bows before Sarai.

Draz says 'thankyou Sarai'

curtsey sarai
You curtsey before her.

Drusa beams a smile at Sarai.
Draz says 'this is starting basic'

Draz says 'but I suspect todays is going to progress to turning things around and pk'

Sarai says 'Sorry for my tardiness Gaidin Draz'

Draz says 'and I'd love your input, and suggestions for both those who can react quickly and
decisively, and those who may benefit from simple tactics'

Draz says 'just to repeat myself'

nod
You nod in agreement.

Draz says 'also, this class is taught from an inredibly specific viewpoint, and that is that your
only real way to stay safe, outside of clan rooms, is to actively take responsibility for your own
safety at all times, its.. its honestly not actually correct, there are plenty of other methods'


Draz says 'but from the viewpoint as a general standpoint that we have 10-20+ fcs being murdered in
the tower and without every day, I think its the only reasonable one I can deliver, as it presents
the highest chances of keeping you all safe'


Boboliosie has arrived from the south.
A rat has arrived from the south.
A rat has arrived from the south.


Boboliosie pukes on Draz.

Boboliosie leaves south. vv
A rat leaves south. vv
A rat leaves south. vv

Draz says 'with respect to the above, I'll paint a quick scenario'

'3 rats.....

You say '3 rats.....'

Drusa snickers softly.

Sarai nods slightly.

Draz says 'the very first time I taught this class'

Draz says 'I taught a pk method'

Draz says 'to engage with short weaves'

You sense Etain connecting to the True Source.

You sense Etain is channeling saidar.

The Tar Valon guardsmen ring the city alarm in the distance.

Etain gestures briefly at Etain, who now appears more impressive somehow.

Draz says 'I then immediately led 3 fcs to a stabbers room'

Draz says 'took them OUT of the stabbers room'

You sense Drusa connecting to the True Source.

You sense Drusa is channeling saidar.

Drusa gestures briefly at Drusa, who now appears more impressive somehow.

Draz says 'told them there was a hidden, and to weave h.wanted with their selected weaves'

Draz says 'I reentered the room and engaged with a zerk bash on the hidden'

The Tar Valon guardsmen ring the city alarm in the distance.

Draz says 'I missed the bash, not a single weave went off, the stabber blicked an fc, the stabber
looted the fc in my sitting lag, and left'

Sarai shivers uncomfortably.

frown
What's bothering you?

Draz says 'I then asked the 2 remaining fcs what had happened, and asked that they spam'

Draz says 'and sent tells to the one who died'

Draz says 'and apologised'

Sarai says 'I find it always best to lead with engaging the target in physical combat first, to
prevent such things.'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Drusa nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'and while iw as doing all this, the stabber clumsied another fc'

Draz tastes a little bit of a plate of yellow peppers and pork.

Sunshine says 'so it is possible or probable that a single stab kills a 280hp channy?'

Draz says 'probable, if it lands'

Sunshine nods in agreement.

The Cairhien alarm bell sounds loudly in the distance.

emote nods, rubbing at her back.
Ok.

Draz says 'but thats not even my point'

Draz says 'so i mentioned earlier'

Draz says 'soem people boast about how much someone misses on them'

Draz says 'one person had 10+ misses on them in a nohide yesterday'

Sarai says 'There are times when you can lead with a weave. And those times aren't very often.
Generally only when your in a no hide room. You know for certain that there are no stabbers around.
Or your getting engaged quickly by other targets. The last input is still risky. As your relying on
others, to prevent you getting stabbed.'

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'sarai is.. making a good point for new pkers'

The Cairhien alarm bell sounds loudly in the distance.
Sarai says 'It is generally best to engage first though for certain.'

Draz says 'if youre at a level of needing to be in a class,d efinitely engage'

Draz says 'if you have a VERY good reaction time and link'

Draz says 'and have implicitly trained yoruself for spamming'

Draz blushes.

Draz says 'or use a trigger'

Sarai says 'In fact unless you really know what your doing. And willing to take that risk It's
pretty much a thing you should always do.'

Zarraz has arrived from the south, riding a wild stallion.

Draz says 'then I would say you can roll a short weave, and leave the room if it fails, '

'May I ask a question here?
The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

You say 'May I ask a question here?'

Zarraz leaves south riding a wild stallion. vv

Draz says 'but that is a tactic to only do if you are confident you can do so 100% of the time'

Draz says 'if there is the smallest chance you're going to mess up, dont do it'

Draz says 'yes, related questions are welcome'

Draz says 'it IS something to practice and train in sparring'

Sarai says 'If your at a no hide, you can still eat a stab, very slim chance. But this is the one
instance I'd definitely risk running a weave instead of engaging. The other scenarios are definitely
putting your life in danger.'

The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

'So if we're just about in the Tower, and there are criminals about. Bobo and the like....what is
the best target to set for our alias?
You say 'So if we're just about in the Tower, and there are criminals about. Bobo and the
like....what is the best target to set for our alias?'

Draz says 'short weave sarai? in fact id honestly only say weave if mobs in room'

Draz says 'h.wanted is useful'

The day has begun.

Alvana has arrived from the south.

Alvana says 'Never knew about h.wanted.'

Draz nods in agreement.


Draz says 'now this can mess up'

Draz says 'if there are unwanted SS (rare)'

Drusa nods in agreement.

Draz says 'unwarrnted CoL alcoytes (rare - its why we warrant alcoytes)'

Sarai says 'It's certainly recommended to use a short weave in the above scenarios.'

Draz says 'and unwarranted murderers (again rare)'

'So with the preset alais, if we simply set it to wanted and the alias is h.(target), target can be
just wanted?
You say 'So with the preset alais, if we simply set it to wanted and the alias is h.(target), target
can be just wanted?'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz thanks Sarai heartily.

Draz says 'yes thats a good basis'

Draz says 'if you type who you can see which wanted are online'

nod
You nod in agreement.

Draz says 'also, you will never get in trouble for spamming k wanted in Tar Valon :)'

Alvana coughs loudly.

'Very good to know.
You say 'Very good to know.'

Draz says 'ok however we jumped ahead tos ome pk considerations'

Alvana says 'Unless you're a novice.'

A bloodstock stallion flickers its ears.

Draz says 'ok unless explictly told not to kill wanted in a DS pk scenario'

Draz shakes his head.

Draz says 'a novice can still spam k wanted'

Alvana arches an eyebrow.

Draz says 'they just need to leave and go to a safe place immediately'

Draz says 'once theyre aware of the danger'

Alvana nods in agreement.

Alvana says 'Interesting point.'

Kilandria has arrived from the west.

Sunshine says 'better to engage and flee to safety then to eat a stab'

Kilandria curtseys gracefully.

Draz says 'i have not had a day, in the last weeek, where someone hasnt logged on and died, before i
advised them there were murderers in the tower'

Draz nods at Sunshine.

Alvana says 'I would argue that if you're spamming, you're either paranoid or aware of the danger.'

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Alvana says 'But that's perhaps a finer point and case-by-case.'
Draz says 'there is always danger'

Draz says 'be paranoid, and always spam'

Alvana nods at Draz.

Draz says 'there has not been a single day this week'

Draz says 'wehre someone ahsnt logged on and died'

Draz says 'before i manage to tell them there are murderers in the tower'

Draz says 'well..actually it hasnt happened todayyet'

Alvana says 'Give it time.'

Alvana says 'He'll be back.'
Draz nods in agreement.

'It was close enough for me, you can go ahead and count it.

Draz says 'im honestly not that worried about bobo'

You say 'It was close enough for me, you can go ahead and count it.'

Sarai says 'Honestly, I've noticed a lot of stabbers targeting the tower lately. That tells me we
are being very reckless of late. If your not specifically paying attention to your room. Like notice
on, always when your stationary. And spamming kill h.wanted. Then ladies you really should be at a
no hide room. There's far to much carelessness going on with standing all willy nilly not paying
attention in hide able rooms. In my opinion.'

Draz says 'its the col who I think might cause players to quit'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'perfect segue'


Draz says 'so'

Draz says 'a I said I got off track'

Draz says 'I want to break thsi down'

Draz says 'and start from basics'

Draz says 'and then we can maybe move back to pk'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'so the examples ive given so far'

Kilandria looks at Draz.

Draz says 'have basically amoutned to, unaware people eating stabs'

Draz says 'aware people, not spamming, eating stabs whether in a nohide or not'

Draz says 'and there are third, fourth, and fifth pk examples, that are people (aware or not) eating
fleestabs, max engage stabs, or purely stopping being engaged and eating stabs'

Draz says 'if that doesnt make sense to anyone please say so now'

Kilandria looks at Sunshine.

Sunshine attempts to flex for Kilandria, but all you can see is flab.

Kilandria rolls her eyes...sheesh!..

Sarai says 'If you are in a door, please do close the door as well. There's a very good chance, that
it will prevent any attempts. There's little effort to taking the time to close it behind you. These
stabbers generally are here for a quick chance at there stab. They will not like the idea of opening
a door. That will notify you of there presence and then having to come and run a stab. There's a
good chance they could be doored. And the vast majority of stabbers will not take this risk.'

'Fleestab, does that have to be on the same target, and you flee back in, or can it be a k.human
type thing that you walk into a stab meant for someone else?

You say 'Fleestab, does that have to be on the same target, and you flee back in, or can it be a
k.human type thing that you walk into a stab meant for someone else?'

Drusa smirks.

Draz says 'now, personally I am extremely surprised that these incursions haven't been in groups, as
two CoL vs an unaware fc is basically a fishing exercise'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'excellent suggestion'

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'ok'

A bloodstock stallion swishes the flies off its back with its tail.

Draz says 'sorry i keep jumping ahead'

Relena has arrived from the west, riding a warhorse.


Draz says 'back to absolute basics'


Relena now follows Draz.


Relena nods respectfully to you.


Draz says 'a stab timer takes around 3 seconds'


Alvana greets Relena with a light kiss on her cheek.


Draz hugs Relena.


Sarai says 'If your in said door, I'd recommend always setting a prior alias as well. To the door
name to close it. And a quick weave alias of h.wanted'

Etain greets Relena with a light kiss on her cheek.

curtsey

Relena greets Alvana with a light kiss on her cheek.

You curtsey to your audience.

Draz nods at Sarai.

Relena greets Etain with a light kiss on her cheek.

Sarai curtseys before Relena.


Relena says 'Enough curtseys, sorry to interrupt.'
Draz says 'so if you're in a nohide room, and you'

Drusa curtseys before Relena.

Draz says 'and you're spamming k wanted vaguely'


Draz says 'sarai has given some great advice so far Relena Sedai'

Draz says 'and the accepted have had some intruguing questions'

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Relena leaves south riding a warhorse. vv

l
The Warders' Practice Yard
A large expanse of bare ground at least fifty paces across and nearly twice
as long stretches forth, its earth beaten hard. At intervals around it
under the trees stand wooden stands holding quarterstaffs and practice
swords made of strips of wood bound loosely together, and a few real swords
and axes and spears. A large gray stone building lies to the east, home to
the warder students and those warders who are not sharing quarters with
their Aes Sedai in the main Tower structure itself.

A sign hangs on the wall.
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
Kilandria the Wearied Novice is standing here.
Alvana Jarrett the Sister is standing here.
Sarai Den'Sen, Green Ajah Apprentice is standing here.
Drusa the Journey Accepted is standing here.
Etain a'Conn is standing here.
A Tairen bloodstock stallion stands here, tail swaying with the breeze, being ridden by River.
River of the Malkieri Diaspora is standing here, riding a bloodstock stallion.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently, being ridden by Sunshine.
Sunshine of Amadicia is standing here, riding a warhorse.
Lord Draz the Gaidin Commander is standing here.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.

Sunshine drinks water from a water skin.

Draz says 'errr'

Draz shrugs helplessly.

Kilandria says 'i'm learning a lot just from this conversation'

Sunshine gets a hunk of beef from a soft leather pouch.

Sunshine eats a hunk of beef.

Draz says 'right'

Draz says 'absolute basics'

Draz says 'a stab timer is around 3 seconds'

The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

Draz says 'if you're in a nohide, and k wanted within every 3 seconds'

Draz says 'they will not get a stab off'

Draz says 'people are not good at timing this sort of thing'

Draz says 'so they will eat a stab when they think theyre spamming'

The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

Draz says 'outside of a nohide, k h.xxx works very well, if you have more than 87% notice, but it
costs a move to use'

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Draz says 'so spammign it will result in hagging out, and then being able to be stabbed with
impunity'

Draz says 'diagnose h. does not take moves'

Kilandria says 'does diagnose h. tell you who is in the room?'

'Literal "k h.xxx" works? for a move? *takes a quick note*
You say 'Literal "k h.xxx" works? for a move? *takes a quick note*'

Draz says 'so.. I've given maybe 5 pieces of advice above, can anyone suggest what my core advice,
when not in a nohide, for avoiding stabs is? not sarai, but people who've been in my previous
classes are welcome to answer'

Draz nods at you.

Draz says 'h. will work, but it only works on the relevant tag'

Alvana says 'er.. spam?'

Draz says 'so if they are wanted it will work, if they are seanchan, it will work, if they are
dark.. it will work'

Drusa tells you 'replace xxx with targets name :)'

Draz says 'spam is'

Kilandria says 'k h.wanted or dark to avoid being stabbed?'

Draz says 'my k dark alias is 2'

A warhorse cocks its head up sharply.

Draz says 'if im sitting here'

Draz says '2'

Draz says '2'

Draz says '2'

Draz says '2'

A bloodstock stallion flickers its ears.

Draz says 'is how i spam'

Draz says 'if im not paying attention'

Draz says 'if im paying attention'

Draz says 'it would be'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'diagnose h.human'

Draz says 'where every time i see a diagnose not show someone, i hit it again'

Sunshine raises his hand with a question.

Draz says 'one sec'

Draz says 'hold further questions for now'

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Draz says 'that was a very good answer, but not what my recommendation is'

Draz says 'so a stab timer takes 3 seconds, people suck at spamming, you can potentially hit the
person if you are spamming'

Draz says 'what is more core advice?'

Draz blinks his eyes innocently.

Draz says 'my* '

Sunshine says 'rest in a safe place?'

Draz says 'a nice try'

Kilandria says 'spam better?'

Draz says 'fair'

Draz says 'you're missing something'

Draz says 'when not in a nohide'

Draz says 'knowing a stab timer takes 3 seconds'

Alvana says 'notice on?'

'Take responsibility for yourself.
You say 'Take responsibility for yourself.'

Draz says 'technically true, but i want something specific'


Sarai says 'Keep notice on, stay mobile and alert.'


Draz says 'something specific from anyone who wasnt told not to answer'

Draz giggles.

Draz winks at Sarai.

Draz says 'yes'

Draz says 'if a stab timer is 3 seconds'

Sarai ponders at what Draz is going for here.

Draz says 'and you dont stay in a room for 3 seconds'

Sunshine says 'Keep notice on, stay mobile and alert.'

Sunshine coughs loudly.

Draz says 'your chances of eatnig a stab are...'

Sarai grins at Sunshine.

Sunshine beams a smile at Sarai.

Draz says 'your chances of eatnig a stab are zero'

Draz says 'does that not make complete sense to anyone'

A warhorse cocks its head up sharply.

Draz says 'because this is a critical critical point to revisit'

Sunshine is crystal clear.

Alvana nods in agreement.

Drusa nods at Draz.

Draz says 'ok'

Draz says 'so'

Draz says 'this fits with the other concepts'

Draz says 'if you are diagnosing h.wanted'

Draz says 'and see a wanted'

Draz says 'lets say you arent paying attention, arent ready to weave'

Draz says 'move 1 room. safety.'

Draz says 'for at least 3 seconds'

Draz winks suggestively.

Sarai says 'It's wise to always have notice on. If your moving short distances you might as well
keep it on. If your going more then a room or two, it's wise to turn it off to conserve moves.
Staying mobile is a sure fire way to avoid stabs as Gaidin Draz has pointed out.'

Draz says 'also a great way to drag people into traps if they just keep following you'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'also its wise to build a habit to check that notice is on'

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Draz says 'ufortunately mudlet tells you your notice status, but notice can turn off on its own'

Sarai says 'Just be aware and make sure you turn it back on, also to reiterate it is still wise to
leave notice on in a no hide room.'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'now'

Sarai says 'Any effort to prevent a stab is a good effort.'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'efforts to prevent stab that increase your knwoeldge and awareness are even better'

Draz says 'lets say we're exping e of Tar Valon'

Draz says 'we are supremely confident of our safety from stabs, because we never stay unengaged for
3 seconds'

Draz says 'and.. that is all we are doing'


Draz says 'afk killing tree, tree goes crit..as soon as it dies walk to next tree'


Draz says '.. someone comes to talk to us'


Draz says 'and the stabber whose been waiting in our room for 40minutes blicks them'

Draz says 'now.. they should have notice on'

Draz says 'they should have seen the hidden'

Draz says 'but as we've discussed we're seeing non stop murders'

Sarai taps her lips in thought, contemplating what Draz is saying.

Draz says 'now if you were the exper.. what may have helped ensure the safety of others'

notice
You start paying increased attention to your surroundings.

'k h.wanted
You say 'k h.wanted'

Draz thinks hard.

A bloodstock stallion lays its ears flat against its neck.

Drusa says 'Spam for hidden'

Draz says 'you're engaged on a tree, you can't'

Sunshine says 'diag h.wanted'

Kilandria says 'can you diag?'

Draz says 'technically you don't know the stabber is there in this scenario. perfect'

Draz says 'yes'

Draz says 'tyhping look for hiddens, or diagnosing'

Alvana says 'does diag make them unhidden?'

Draz says 'is an excellent way to see whats happening in a room'

Draz says 'it does not'

A warhorse pricks its ears forward and looks alert.

Draz says 'so my personal suggestion'

Draz says 'when exping'


Kilandria says 'so we should have an alias for diag h.wanted and h.dark?'

Draz says 'is to type look with notice on before anything dies'

Draz thinks hard.

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Draz says 'i use one alias'

Draz says 'its almost always set to dark unless im pking multiple wanteds'

Draz says 'once you've looked in your room and seen a hidden'

Draz says 'lets say you're exping and engaged on a mob'

Draz says 'you have time to diagnose h.dark and h.wanted'

Draz says 'to see who it is'

Draz says 'if u dont see anyone..try h.male and h.female'

Draz says 'and then check look again to see if theyre in the room'

Draz says 'now'

Draz says 'lets say you're not engaged on a mob'

Draz says 'and you see a hidden'

Draz says 'and..takes you a moment to react'

Draz says 'and you diagnose h.dark and nothing comes up..'

Draz says 'your next reaction should be...????'

Sarai says 'Being paranoid isn't a bad thing, with stabbers running rampant nowadays.. It's wise to
have a alias you make permanent to diagnose h.wanted. I'd be wise to take this suggestion upon
myself. I'm from a time when wanted wasn't a thing. I haven't adapted to it fully yet. But this is a
wonderful new ability to use. Very helpful. '

Alvana says 'leave?'

Sunshine says 'move 1 room away'

Sarai beams a smile at Alvana.

Sarai nods in agreement.

Drusa says 'Move yourself'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Sarai says 'Very good advice'
Draz says 'YESSS'

Draz says 'I'

Draz says 'am going to get up'

Draz says 'and do a happy dance'

Draz says 'excuse me'

Draz says 'ask sarai any questions yuo may have'

Alvana falls down laughing.

'If we clap in rythm might he dance a jig?

You say 'If we clap in rythm might he dance a jig?'

Sarai giggles at Draz's silly antics.

Drusa says 'So i guess I have a question... what is the inherent benefit of using diag over k
h.xxx?'

'That color shifting cloak could make it interesting
You say 'That color shifting cloak could make it interesting'

Alvana says 'diag can be done while engaged'

Sunshine says 'saves moves'

Kilandria says 'you don't lose moves?'

A warhorse pricks its ears forward and looks alert.

Alvana says 'and doesn't cost a move'

Sarai says 'It allows you to keep tabs while engaged. And yes saves you moves.'

Sarai says 'Very good job ladies.'

Sunshine coughs loudly.

l

Poppy has arrived from the south, riding a gray palfrey.

* HP:Healthy SP:Bursting MV:Fresh > The Warders' Practice Yard
A large expanse of bare ground at least fifty paces across and nearly twice
as long stretches forth, its earth beaten hard. At intervals around it
under the trees stand wooden stands holding quarterstaffs and practice
swords made of strips of wood bound loosely together, and a few real swords
and axes and spears. A large gray stone building lies to the east, home to
the warder students and those warders who are not sharing quarters with
their Aes Sedai in the main Tower structure itself.

A sign hangs on the wall.
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
Zone: White Tower Ground Floor
Door east: officedoor
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A weapon rack stands on the ground here, ready to store weapons.
Some elaborate figurines spew fresh water into a broad basin here.
You notice a torch is hidden here.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby, being ridden by Poppy.
Poppy the Wall Guard is standing here, riding a gray palfrey.
Kilandria the Wearied Novice is standing here.
Alvana Jarrett the Sister is standing here.
Sarai Den'Sen, Green Ajah Apprentice is standing here.
Drusa the Journey Accepted is standing here.
Etain a'Conn is standing here.
A Tairen bloodstock stallion stands here, tail swaying with the breeze, being ridden by River.
River of the Malkieri Diaspora is standing here, riding a bloodstock stallion.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently, being ridden by Sunshine.
Sunshine of Amadicia is standing here, riding a warhorse.
Lord Draz the Gaidin Commander is standing here.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A grim storyteller reads from a journal.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
A warder's student stands here catching his breath.
Coulin the Master of Arms is here teaching his students.
A gray haired weaponsmaster stands nearby.

Poppy looks around slowly, as if something is hidden in the room.

Draz nods in agreement.

Poppy bows deeply.

Draz says 'weave h.xxx and diag h.xxx dont cost moves'

Etain beams a smile at Poppy.

Draz says 'diag will give you a name, weave won'

Draz says 'wont'

Draz says 'at least not until it lands :p'

Draz says 'quick scenario, you've entered a room and hit weave short weave h.wanted, and there are
two hiddens in the room'

Draz says 'youve been fighting 1 person'

Draz says 'and dont have backup'

Draz says 'what are two options you can do'


Kilandria says 'leave that room'
Alvana says 'er... 3v1? Dip.'
Sarai says 'So if your engaged on a target spamming diagnose h.wanted is the ideal thing to use. If
unengaged you can still use this. Just keep in mind not to over spam it and leave yourself time to
move out of the room or rapidly follow it with a kill h.wanted command.'

Sunshine nods at Alvana.

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'ok, leave the room is a good choice'

Draz says 'ah'

Draz says 'i got too excited'

Draz says 'whats the bloodthirsty choice?'

Sunshine says 'case the flee and stay engaged to prevent stab?'

Relena has arrived from the south, riding a warhorse.

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'not quite'

Sunshine snaps his fingers.

Draz says 'so if you enter a room with two stabbers'

Draz says 'and engage one'

Draz says 'its exactly what the expect'

Draz says 'and the other is likely running a stab on you for fleestab'

Kilandria says 'the one you engage will flee while the other runs a timer?'

Draz says 'and you're right 100% the safer option at this point'

Draz nods at Kilandria.

Draz says 'is to leave the room within those first 3 seconds'

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Draz says 'so lets explore that'

Draz says 'lets say your target is super low'

A bloodstock stallion lays its ears flat against its neck.

Draz says 'but you dont want to risk at all eating a stab'

Draz says 'leave the room'

Draz says 'diagnose h.wanted'

Sarai says 'Drusa brought up a good question just now in private. I want to reiterate that
diagnosing h.wanted is not a cure all. It's simply a way of telling you that you have a potential
stabber. This can be a bane for you if you have a slow link or reaction time. It is ideal if
unengaged or not at a no hide to use kill h.wanted. Using diagnose h.wanted will only notify you of
the potential problem.'

Draz says 'soon as they enter'

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'you get to see whose in room'

Draz says 'k h.wanted'

Draz says 'then diagnose for the other'

Draz says '2.dark. 3.dark etc'

Relena leaves south riding a warhorse. vv

Draz says 'diag 2.h.wanted'

Draz says 'now'

Draz says 'you can alias both names to short weave'

Draz says 'enter room, hit one, and weave the other'

Draz says 'then weave your primary target'

Drusa nods in agreement.

Draz says 'ideally you hit the one whose healthy and weave the one whose crit trying for a fleestab
on you :)'

Draz says 'yuor short weave will go off before the fleestab can finish'

Draz says 'and so nothing they can do'

Draz says 'but..'

Draz says 'it literally takes that much setup to do with some degree of safety'

Draz says 'know both targets, engage one, weave the other'

Draz says 'if u dont know the other.. '

Draz shrugs helplessly.

Draz says 'you can potentially enter, hit someone, weave short weave.. and be SPAMMING hard e the
second the weave ends'

Draz says 'dont go for another weave'

A gray palfrey swishes the flies off its back with its tail.

Draz says 'dont wait for their flee to go off if they've hit flee'

Draz says 'just be spaammming as hard as you can to get out'

Kilandria leaves north. ^^

Draz says 'chance of a stab landing in that nistance drops to less than 1/50 even if their timing is
very good'

Alvana says 'to get out, not k h.?'

Draz says 'but its like, literally hold down enter on your direction key'

Kilandria has arrived from the north.

Kilandria gets a plate of kippered eel from a weapon rack.

Draz says 'k h. can fail, and if noones in room will cost you a ton of moves to spam hard enough '

'Light, I'm afraid I'm going to have to experience some of this before it will take hold. *frown*
You say 'Light, I'm afraid I'm going to have to experience some of this before it will take hold.
*frown*'

Draz says 'when im saying hold down the key'

A warhorse pricks its ears forward and looks alert.

Drusa says 'Wouldnt that lag you out or make you walk back into the stab?'

Draz says 'millana we're going to cover some basics'

Draz says 'to keep yourself safe'

Sunshine shakes a dazy from his mind.

Draz says 'ok so lets say its an E S exit room at the west BGs'

Draz says 'spamming e or s, hard as you can'

Draz says 'is only ever going to result in you moving from that room'

Kilandria nods in agreement.

Draz says 'and yes if youre spamming ahrd enough you are going to overspam'

Draz says 'but lets say you have 10 overspams of e the moment they flee'

Draz says 'either the gate is open'

Sunshine starts riding a warhorse.

Draz says 'or its shut, and those 10 spams go off well within 3 seconds'

Draz says 'and you leave that room'

Drusa nods in agreement.

Draz says 'because spamming k h. costs moves'

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'how to break this down'

The steady toll of a gong calls defenders to the stone.

Draz says 'lets say your stabber is REALLY good'

Draz says 'and has managed to start their stab successfully on you'

A warhorse pricks its ears forward and looks alert.

Draz says 'and their fleeer is REALLY good'

Draz says 'and flees before the stab'

Draz says 'within 0.5 seconds of the stab'

Draz thinks hard.

Alvana leaves west. <<

Alvana has arrived from the west.

Draz says 'are you familiar with overpsam?'

The steady toll of a gong calls defenders to the stone.

Kilandria leans forward intently
Draz says 'ie if spamming a door shut soooo hard'

Draz says 'that the commands back up'

Drusa nods in agreement.
Draz says 'and take time to ctch up'

Draz says 'ok'

Draz says 'so when i say spam out of the room'

'The concept makes sense
You say 'The concept makes sense'

Draz says 'im saying overspam out of the room'

Draz says 'the mud will accept.. 7-20 commands from you a second depending on your link as far as i
can tell'

Draz says 'in 20+ years I think ive eaten two perfect stabs, where spamming didnt take me out of the
room'

Draz says 'and my link is trash'

Draz says 'kill h. works, but its really bad to build a habit of spamming it'

Draz says 'lets say you're spamming hard'

River suddenly keels over in pain, surrounded by a white aura...
River's body has been taken over by a new spirit!

Kilandria leaves west. <<

Draz says 'and they flee, and you hit the other, and they instant flee'

Draz says '.. and you have 30 k h. go through and suddenly you're hagg'

Draz says 'or if its a dark stabber working with them'

Draz says 'etc etc'

Draz says 'so i kept saying Id keep this basic, and i really havent'

Poppy disappears into the void.

Poppy has returned.

smile
You smile happily.

Draz says 'gonna jump back to some basics'

Draz says 'some suggestions'

Draz says 'some simple tactics'

Draz says 'and then see how people feel'

Draz says 'so basics'

Draz says 'if you are not in a safe room'

Draz says 'that is, a door with the door shut, clan rooms, or coulin'

Draz says 'you are not safe, and should be engaged and aware'

Draz says 'by which I mean be engaged with whats happening in the game, but engaged in combat is a
nice pun that fits in'


Alvana groans loudly.

Drusa smirks.

Sunshine grins evilly.

Sarai has returned.

Sarai coughs loudly.

Draz says 'one sec, reading a discord log'

Sarai says 'Apologies'

Draz says 'nm cant find it'

Draz nods in agreement.

Draz says 'ok'

Draz says 'so if exping'

Draz says 'great, you look for hiddens any time something is gonna die'

Draz says 'if afkish at a nohide'

Draz says 'great you semi spam '

Draz says 'if chatting to people'

Draz says 'great you stay aware and focused'

Draz says 'if you want to be ultra paranoid'

Draz says 'wvd costs about a tics regen, and lasts 3 tics'

Draz says 'you can ltierally stay wvd'

Draz says 'and bursting'

A gray palfrey swishes the flies off its back with its tail.

Draz says 'with notice always on'

Draz says 'if you see a hidden'

Draz says 'can k h.wanted, or h.dark to engage'

Draz says 'if either of those ever fails'

Draz says 'the correct thing to do is..?'

Sunshine says 'leave the room'

'Move

Drusa says 'Move a room'

You say 'Move '

A warhorse lays its ears flat against its neck.
Draz says 'yes'

Draz says 'now'

Draz says 'I've said a ton'

Draz says 'about taking responsibility for yourself'

Draz says 'but most pk is in a group'

Draz says 'and generally accepted arent leading'

Draz says 'so.. tell me a way this can backfire please'

Draz says 'your leader has led you into a room with a hidden'

Sunshine says 'too many engaged?'

Draz nods in agreement.

Sarai says 'Being led back into a stab'

Draz says 'too many engaged your choice is to'

Draz nods in agreement.

Sunshine says 'last in room'

Sunshine says 'leave the room'

Sarai says 'Move out yourself'

Draz says 'those were the main ones i wanted'

Sarai nods in agreement.

Draz says 'so lets say'

Draz says 'again W BGs '

Draz says 'theyre dead'

Draz says 'leader has walked in'

Draz says 'there is a hidden'

Draz says 'you werent prepared, you type'

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'thats a shitty example'

Draz says 'junction'

Draz says '4 exit room'

Draz says 'hidden stabber'

Draz says 'you werent prepared, is a hidden'

Draz says 'you type south'

Draz says 'the leader..has just seen a stabber'

Draz says 'freaked out'

Draz says 'nd typed north'

Draz says '..right before you'

Draz says 'boom'

Draz says 'and to make it worse'

Draz says 'good pkers'

Draz says 'typically'

River has returned.

Draz says 'will have hit n'

Draz says 'and started typign a tell or narrate to the leader that there is a hidden'

Draz says 'because communication is a thing..'

Draz says 'sorry s*'

Draz says 'so they've hit s'

A bloodstock stallion swishes the flies off its back with its tail.

Draz says 'the leader has gone n'

Draz says 'theyve walked BACK into the room with the stabber'

Draz says 'and are focused on what theyre typing'

Draz says '.. its a really annoying way to die'

Draz says 'i dont have a good answer for it'

Draz says 'being engaged and reaxtive can help'

Draz says 'but always the possibility things will line up exactly wrong'

Draz says 'lets say you feel protective'

Draz says 'I feel very protective'

Draz says 'but if I stop in a roomw ith a stabber'

Draz says 'even berserk my chance of landing a bash before they land a stab is 65%'

Draz says 'lets say your leader has entered a room with a stabber and one of your friends hasn't
engaged with the stabber'

Draz says 'you're paying fast attention, its pk, your blood is rushing'

Draz says 'we have just entered the room'

Draz says 'whats a good way to make sure the stabber doesnt blick one of your friends'

Draz narrates 'kill him with fire'

Sunshine says 'weave 'incinerate' h.wanted?'

Draz thinks hard.

Draz falls down laughing.

Alvana falls down laughing.

Poppy snickers softly.

Draz says 'that is.. a good way to scare people'

Draz says 'myself included'

Draz says 'it is however a weave thats longer than a stab timer'

Draz says 'if you REALLY want to get a kill on a high value target'

Draz says 'for Aes SEdai only because accepted will likely get in dung for using it'

Draz says 'its a pretty excellent way to secure a kill against a healthy target'

Poppy leaves south. vv

Draz says 'enter, start weave, they get stab off..if they clumsy the weave will finish'

Sunshine says 'so not the correct answer.'

Sunshine snaps his fingers.

Draz says 'high chance of them being reduced to 15-20hps'

Draz says 'and theyre gonna die regardless :p'

Draz says 'but yes, not the correct answer'

'Just engage. they cant stab engaged no?
You say 'Just engage. they cant stab engaged no?'

Draz says 'we touhed on it earlier'

Draz says 'you can engage, the question is about your poor friend who hasn't engaged yet'

Sarai says 'Sometimes there's just not a lot you can do in scenarios to prevent a bad thing
happening. There rare, but we must accept that things can go wrong, quickly. Study what happened and
try and learn from it. Combat is a learning exercise, just like studying a book or weave. '

Draz ponders life, the universe, and everything.

Draz says 'that was..very philosophical of you sarai'

Sarai says 'You can if your really quick, engage your friend. I know, this is kind of not the best
thing to do.'

Draz says 'but no, first thing that comes to mind, sarai only'

Draz says 'you are on sarai'

Draz says 'and i have entered a stabbers room and engaged on them'

Draz says 'you do NOT believe im going to flee, reenter, and take your friend out of the room'

Alvana says 'spicy'

Draz says 'it is a solo stabber'

Draz says 'and you have them aliased'

Draz says 'for short and long weave'

Draz says '...'

Sunshine says 'flame strike or blind?'

The Tar Valon guardsmen ring the city alarm in the distance.

Sunshine says 'don't know timer on blind.'

Draz says 'blind is only fractionally slower than a stab, but this question is now sarai only'

Draz says 'faster*'

Sunshine nods at Draz.

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'let me try a different perspective, more detail'

The Tar Valon guardsmen ring the city alarm in the distance.

Draz says 'the target is beaten, an ice sikes would get them very low'

Draz says 'but your friend is in the room '

Draz says 'unengaged'

Draz says 'we have just entered the room'

Draz says 'how can you keep them 99% safe'

Draz begins to sweat nervously.

Draz glances at Coulin.

ponder
You ponder life, the universe, and everything.

Draz says 'think either I broke the accepted, or she's messing with me'

Draz says 'its definitely messing with me'

Alvana whispers something to Draz.

Drusa snickers softly.

Sunshine whispers something to Draz.

Alvana patiently twiddles her thumbs.

Draz thinks hard.

Draz says 'sorry got involved in a discussion'

Draz says 'for the purposes of this discussion'

Drusa whispers something to Draz.

Draz says 'the only way for a PONR event to happen for stab or charge or weaves'

Draz says 'is after a half tic, when you've regenned enough to exceed whatever damage is done to
you'

Draz says 'that is, PONR when you take damage'

Sunshine says 'PONR?'

Draz says 'point of no return'

nod
Coulin the Master of Arms nods at Draz.
Coulin the Master of Arms walks off.
You nod in agreement.

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Draz says 'usually used with respect to landing bashes or weaves after taking damage at the very end
of the weave'

Draz says 'but its at least possible, to take a very small amount of melee damage, after a half tic,
without cancellig '

Alvana says 'I don't follow'

Draz says 'uh some semantics'

Alvana says 'oooh'

The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

Sarai says 'Short weaving the target is the ideal answer. I've seen instances of point of no return.
So I was cautious on answering this one. So going from a long weave, to a short weave is ideal. As
damage interrupts the stab timer. Other then that kicking your friend, or physically engaging them.

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Coulin the Master of Arms nods at Sarai.
Coulin the Master of Arms walks off.

Draz nods at Sarai.

Draz says 'excellent answer'

Draz says 'thankyou'

Draz says 'if yuo arent xonfident you can short weave in time, engaging or kciking would be a
possibility'

Draz says 'but you'd want one hell of a typing speed to manage it'

Draz says 'also from a leaders perspective'

Draz says 'if one of your group hasnt engaged'

The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

Draz says 'it is entirely possible to flee, reenter, and drag them out'

Draz says 'there have been.. one or two instances ever, where I've decided to do this..and the
person has been disengage weaving'

Draz says 'lmost always theyre just sitting there wqaiting to eat a stab'

emote mutters under her breath "It will be years before I can fight properly..."
Ok.

Draz says 'its probably the most effective thing I've ever done to keep people alive'


A bloodstock stallion cocks its head up sharply.
The Caemlyn city alarm sounds loudly in the distance.

Draz shakes his head.

Draz says 'no no no'

Draz says 'right'

Draz says 'so usability end of the class'

Draz says 'we've covered a lot for actual pk skills and challenges'

Draz says 'and for becmoing aware of murderers'

Draz says 'and not staying still when solo to eat stabs'

Draz says 'but lets say you know your target'

Draz says 'up north typically DS, in tar valon typically wanted'

Draz says 'you'll have 3 aliases'

Draz says 'k h.wanted, short weave h.wanted, long weave h.wanted'

Draz says 'and also k wanted'

Draz says 'literally all you need to do while following'

Draz says 'is either spam k wanted'

Draz says 'or weave short h.wanted'

Draz says '..until your leader finds them'

Draz says 'if u enter room with a hidden and k wanted doesnt hit them'

Draz says 'k h.wanted'

Draz says 'if you enter room weaving and your weave fails'

Draz says 'you have a second to walk out of the room before u die'

Draz says 'or if multiple fcs and someone else weaving maybe you just risk it'

Draz says 'but thats an individual choice and the best thing to do is to engage h. or walk out'

Draz says 'so'

Draz says 'one new accepted'

Draz says 'drove a particularly good stabber NUTS'

Draz says 'because she took this lesson to heart'

Draz says 'and spammed with a trigger'

Draz says 'short weave h.dark'

Draz says 'so as soon as he ever entered, ate a short weave'

Draz says 'but she wasnt engaging'

Draz says 'so he kept trying and trying'

Draz says '..and then she failed a weave'

Draz says 'trolloc rogue'

frown
What's bothering you?

Draz says '! its been 2 seconds she hasnt thrown a fireball at me'

A gray palfrey flickers its ears.

Draz says '! shes going to die'

Draz says '! shes going to diieee'

Draz says 'she walked out'

Draz winks suggestively.

cackle
You cackle gleefully.

Draz says 'its a good thing to practice, and spar'

Draz says 'and failing that, i know its shitty advice, but triggers when you are not paying
attention keep people chortlesnorfling alive and im sick of people being murderered so wont recommend
against'

Relena has arrived from the south, riding a warhorse.

Sunshine says 'is charge and stab timer about the same?'

Drusa says 'If your link is good enough'

Draz says 'no'

A warhorse swishes the flies off its back with its tail.

Relena says '16pulses for stab'

Draz says 'charge timer is about 1.6 seconds, '

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Relena says 'to compare blind is 10 pulses'

Draz says 'if someone enters, and starts a charge without fleelag, and you haven't already gotten a
oulse or two into your short weave timer before they start'

Relena says 'flame strike is 6'

Draz says 'leave the damned room'

Tandrael narrates '4k apparently'

Relena leaves south riding a warhorse. vv

Sunshine nods in agreement.

Draz says 'any final questions?'

Sunshine shakes his head.

Sarai has returned.

Alvana says 'thank you, Draz Gaidin.'

Draz narrates 'class over, ask any final questions and i can answer, anyone who wants pk me and rels
gonna go fight'

Draz thanks Alvana heartily.


Log session ending at 22:23:43 on Thursday, 23 December 2021.